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skunk-works-digest       Tuesday, April 18 2000       Volume 09 : Number 032



     Index of this digest by subject:
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Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: White Triangles
Re: White Triangles
Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: White Triangles
(fwd) Request for Scan and WAV of Area-51 "Triangle" Sighting
More follow-up re: fastmover....
Acquired aircraft
Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: Acquired aircraft
Re: Acquired aircraft
RE: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
RE: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:22:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sam Kaltsidis <skaltsid@mcs.kent.edu>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

>     I'm not sure exactly how much credibility to give this report or the 
> articles in the magazine.  Here's something that really bothers me:  
> 
> 
> 
> >Having decided, much to our regret, to watch the departing craft by 
> >means of binoculars instead of trying to film with the 44-times
> >digital 
> >zoom videocam or even take photos, we then tracked - for the last few 
> >seconds - the craft's wide backside as it turned [the latter] towards
> >us.
> 
> 
> 
>     One of the problems with so many reports of seeing or catching fantastic 
> things (and I do believe there are secret a/c flying, just not that 
> many--especially given the Administration's feelings on Defense) is that they 
> always seem to happen when no one thought to bring a camera, or while they 
were 
> reloading film or changing batteries or the camera just happened to break.  
> 
> 
>     In this case, we are told that a team, is out there to catch an incident 
> just like this, is poised and ready and is knowledgeable enough to know what 
> they're looking for when they see it.  Here it comes, the vindication of all 
> they've been saying, a major scoop, and the reward for all their admitted 
> effort and hardships in pulling it off.  They're in the right place at the 
> right time.  There's no one around to stop them.  They've got a clear view. 
> They've got cameras and super digital video equipment warmed up and ready, and 
> 
> 
>                    NO ONE BOTHERS TO USE ANY OF IT????!!!?
> 
> 
>     There's a disconnect here somewhere.  
> 
> 
> 
>                                 Art
> 


I agree with you 110%! The human brain is not always objective, sometimes we see 
things we wish to see. I believe that there are black aircraft flying in the US 
and other countries, however I do not believe the armed services are stupid 
enough to allow their black projects to be caught on camera. If they are, then 
they are criminally negligent and deserve to be severely punished for allowing 
this to occur. I don't buy it for a minute that they are using radio 
transmissions which might identify them as such, since the services know 
perfectly well people are eavesdropping on them all the time.

Long live black projects!

Sam "Skeptical is my middle name"

CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC
http://www.darkent.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:21:01 -0700
From: Dan Zinngrabe <quellish@gte.net>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

<snip>
>
>
>I agree with you 110%! The human brain is not always objective, 
>sometimes we see
>things we wish to see. I believe that there are black aircraft 
>flying in the US
>and other countries, however I do not believe the armed services are stupid
>enough to allow their black projects to be caught on camera. If they are, then
>they are criminally negligent and deserve to be severely punished for allowing
>this to occur. I don't buy it for a minute that they are using radio
>transmissions which might identify them as such, since the services know
>perfectly well people are eavesdropping on them all the time.

The F-117 was captured on film hundreds of times before it was 
revealed to the public. Some of the photos weren't recognized for 
what they were, others were left unpubished, some film was seized by 
the FBI or AF after the fact.

Classified aircraft are photographed or otherwise captured on film 
all the time. So are UFOs and the Loch Ness monster, but that has 
never proved those existed or not. "Photographic evidence" is very 
easily refuted. Steve Douglass has video of an unknown aircraft (or 
two, or three) that has been in the public domain for several years. 
It didn't prove the existance of anything, it didn't prompt the AF to 
disclose anything, not much came of it.

And if the Swiss Mountain Bat and his team did photograph what they 
saw, they might have to give their film to the Lincoln County sherrif 
or DET 3 Security Police anyway, and would have faced stiff fines. 
And if they got the photos out and published them, they'd be in even 
more legal trouble.

The armed services are infinitely stupid at securing things. You 
could ready endless GAO reports, DoD memos, and public statements to 
that effect. DOE annual Material Unnaccounted For - missing fissile 
material like plutonium and enriched uranium- statements clearly 
attest that America's most valuable national security assests 
routinely "slip through the cracks". Whole nuclear weapons regularly 
go missing, and those that are in storage are poorly guarded and 
maintained. Keeping a lid on a classified flight test program is 
whole orders of magnitude more difficult, as any way you slice it, it 
*will* fly over or around populated areas at some point, not matter 
how much public land the US decides to take away. The Nellis range 
may be large indeed, but it soon feels tiny when testing programs for 
things like Tier 3 and the F-117 are conducted there. F-117 pilots 
have publically stated that they regularly flew training missions to 
administraively attack targets on Lake Tahoe, which is a far cry from 
a restricted military reservation.

Thankfully, the Air Force doesn't control every camera in the 
country. They can't really prevent their aircraft from been 
photographed.

Dan


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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 100 05:13:09 GMT
From: betnal@ns.net
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

On 4/16/00 7:21PM, in message <p04310100b5202258680c@[24.130.58.240]>, Dan 
Zinngrabe <quellish@gte.net> wrote:

> 
> And if the Swiss Mountain Bat and his team did photograph what they 
> saw, they might have to give their film to the Lincoln County sherrif 
> or DET 3 Security Police anyway, and would have faced stiff fines. 
> And if they got the photos out and published them, they'd be in even 
> more legal trouble.
> 
> 

    Not if they were on public land.  In this country, you can photograph and 
publish anything you legally have access to.  If they were one foot inside the 
boundary, they're in trouble.  If they're one foot out, and don't do anything 
to subvert any security measures, they can.  That's one of the reasons the AF 
wants to move the boundary further out.  

    BTW, at an open house or on a tour or visit, you're on their installation, 
so yes, they can restrict what you can photograph.  For example, are you aware 
that outside the public tour areas, no one is allowed to photograph in the 
White House?  All pictures, film and video is done by the White House 
Communications Office.  


            Art

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:21:59 -0500
From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: White Triangles

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:24:39 -0500
>From: Shade <Shade@mailops.com>
>Subject: Re: White Triangles

><P>Amy Hebert wrote:
><
><P>Was there cloud cover?
><BR>According to GOES 8, there was a cloud cover for most of the day over
><BR>California.

><P>Sorry to butt in but where did you get the GEOS 8 info? Is it on the
>'net and could you pass a link if it is?
><BR>~~~~~
><BR>Shade

Shade:

GOES 8, GOES 10 images and more are archived at
"http://www.cira.colostate.edu/special/wxcal/wxcal.htm".  
Personally, GOES 8 is one of my favorites.

Amy

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:15:02 -0500
From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: White Triangles

>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:29:39 +0100
>From: "David" <win@dircon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: White Triangles
>
>From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>
>
>
>| Aircraft painted white would be difficult to spot (visually) against a
>| cloudy background - if they needed to fly below the clouds - just as black
>| aircraft are camouflaged against the night sky.  Clouds make great
>| camouflage, if you blend in. Maybe even generate your own cloud-cover.  Or
>| perhaps his electrochromatic panels shorted out. ;>
>
>You can laugh Amy - but we'll see - or not if the TFTs
>do their job :)
>
>David


I wasn't laughing, David, that's a smile and a wink.  I was quite serious.
My book, "The Pretenders", goes to the publishers this summer.  Covers
about 5 years of research in this area. ;>

Amy

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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:42:44 -0700
From: Dan Zinngrabe <quellish@gte.net>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

>On 4/16/00 7:21PM, in message <p04310100b5202258680c@[24.130.58.240]>, Dan
>Zinngrabe <quellish@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>  And if the Swiss Mountain Bat and his team did photograph what they
>>  saw, they might have to give their film to the Lincoln County sherrif
>>  or DET 3 Security Police anyway, and would have faced stiff fines.
>>  And if they got the photos out and published them, they'd be in even
>>  more legal trouble.
>>
>>
>
>     Not if they were on public land.  In this country, you can photograph and
>publish anything you legally have access to.  If they were one foot inside the
>boundary, they're in trouble.  If they're one foot out, and don't do anything
>to subvert any security measures, they can.  That's one of the reasons the AF
>wants to move the boundary further out.

That's the law of the land, and it would be great if the AF and 
Lincoln County Sherrif would observe it:
<http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/campbell/obstruction/>
<http://www.ufomind.com/area51/events/highway_bill/et_go_home.html#RTFToC7>
<http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat/1994/rat_06.html>

Just about anyone who's been near the base has had film seized, used 
or not, and always on public land. I doubt that the Swiss Mountain 
Bat's party was anywhere near the boundary at their new viewpoint- 
but in the past the AF has taken film without any observation of 
boundaries. You point a camera at the base, it's gone. You petition 
to get the film back, their response is "We didn't take any film of 
yours when you were taking pictures of the base, because there's no 
base there" or some similarly circular argument.

The air force wants to move the boundaries out so that during teh 
week they can prevent people like the Swiss Mountain Bat from peeking 
into the base, cameras or not. The only real threat to a secret 
flight test is an observer on the peaks- they don't operate the base 
on weekends (one reason they opened up the airspace), and they keep 
track of the satellites overhead (they work the tests around most 
satellite passes). Even then the vast majority of the aircraft test 
activity at Groom is at night- daylight tests are rare and most 
commonly to support the interests of another testing organization 
(such as scheduling with another range like China Lake or Edwards) or 
for TDY. When some limited B-2 RCS work was being done a few years 
ago, it regularly flew from Edwards to Groom for inflight signature 
checks against the DYCOMS array during daylight before proceeding 
with it's other objectives.

Dan



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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:30:50 +0100
From: "David" <win@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: White Triangles

From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>

| >From: "David" <win@dircon.co.uk>
| >
| >You can laugh Amy - but we'll see - or not if the TFTs
| >do their job :)

| I wasn't laughing, David, that's a smile and a wink.  I was quite serious.
| My book, "The Pretenders", goes to the publishers this summer.  Covers
| about 5 years of research in this area. ;>

Thanks for clearing that up Amy. The subtleties of emoticons pass me
by sometimes.

I hope you'll keep us posted wrt when your book will be on sale.

Congratulations - it sounds fascinating.

David

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:12:49 -0500
From: "George R. Kasica" <georgek@netwrx1.com>
Subject: (fwd) Request for Scan and WAV of Area-51 "Triangle" Sighting

On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:06:42 EDT, IamDorian@aol.com wrote:

Hello George:

I reference to the article you forwarded to the "Black-Triangles"
group, 
could you possible see to it that this email message (requesting a
scan of 
the drawing of the Area-51 ship seen by Meinrad Eberle, or his
associates) be 
forwarded to "Meinrad Eberle?"

This would be greatly appreciated. Thank You,

Dorian
=======================================================
Referencing the email:

- - ----- Original Message -----

From: Meinrad Eberle  To:

skunk-works@netwrx1.com

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:20 PM

Subject: Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmission

intercepted on 9-8-99

You wrote:

< Those of you interested in a scan of AI's March issue cover page
showing

Steve's drawing as well as relevant WAV-file of intercepted radio

transmission may contact me off-list. >

I would be interested in the scan, and the WAV if you have it.

I am an independent researcher in need of good eye-witness
reports/sketches 
for my on-going reverse engineering research. I am myself an
eye-witness to 
the large triangles being flown here in the US an over NATO airspace.

You can email the info to:

IamDorian@aol.com

Your cooperation is truly appreciated.

Sincerly,

Dorian

George, MR. Tibbs & The Beast Kasica
Waukesha, WI USA
georgek@netwrx1.com
http://www.netwrx1.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:43:36 -0500
From: Todd Madson <crash@waste.org>
Subject: More follow-up re: fastmover....

If Meinrad had taken a photograph of this rare bird, what then?

A sticky situation to say the least.  What then?  Keep it in 
private and look at it?   Risk publicizing it?  

It's not the kind of thing you'd want to trust to a 1 hour photo lab.
I'm not sure I'd use a conventional camera given the opportunity.

If it's a digital image, it could be on the internet in seconds, but
would you want to?  I'm not so sure.  Yes, it's great to wonder about
the great advances in aviation.  But publicizing things before they
are announced reaches a moral grey area.  The old loose lips sink 
ships adage.

The signs plainly say no photography and references the much vaunted
internal security act of 1950.  I'd bet the penalties for something 
like this would be rather strict.

And the Swiss mountain bat as he is dubbed isn't from here.  What
kind of penalties can someone not from the US receive for, say,
photographing a plane like this and then publicizing it?

It's not like someone had hung around Tonopah in the early 80s and
captured an F-117 flying and sent it to "Aircraft Fetish" magazine.

Anyone have comments on a dilemma like this?  What would you do if you
found yourself in possession of a clear color photo of a classified
aircraft?  

- -t

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:35:51 -0700
From: David Lednicer <dave@amiwest.com>
Subject: Acquired aircraft

	As for Western aircraft acquired by the Soviets and their allies,
I have some first hand knowledge.  I visited a Polish aviation musuem in
Krakow last year.  They have a Cessna A-37 and a Northrop F-5 with fading
Vietnamese markings.  They were acquired in April 1975, when South Vietnam
fell.  The Vietnamese supplied them to the Soviets, who then passed them
on to the Poles.  The Czech aviation museum at Kbely also has a F-5,
acquired in the same way.

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David Lednicer             | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics"
Analytical Methods, Inc.   |   email:   dave@amiwest.com
2133 152nd Ave NE          |   tel:     (425) 643-9090
Redmond, WA  98052  USA    |   fax:     (425) 746-1299

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:51:27 PDT
From: "wayne binkley" <wbinkley@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

i don't know much about advanced communication gear so if this is nuts then 
ok. if you have a digital vcr(or still camera) is there any way you could 
down load it to a lap top and with a portable satellite dish(i think the 
military call them"satcoms")then bounce it to another computer via cellphone 
or the internet? if this is possible(but maybe not feasible)it would not 
matter what the lincoln county sheriff or DET 3  confiscated. just a 
thought.
             wayne binkley <wbinkley@hotmail.com>
>And if the Swiss Mountain Bat and his team did photograph what they
>saw, they might have to give their film to the Lincoln County sheriff
>or DET 3 Security Police anyway, and would have faced stiff fines.
>And if they got the photos out and published them, they'd be in even
>more legal trouble.
>
>The armed services are infinitely stupid at securing things. You
>could ready endless GAO reports, DoD memos, and public statements to
>that effect. DOE annual Material Unnaccounted For - missing fissile
>material like plutonium and enriched uranium- statements clearly
>attest that America's most valuable national security assests
>routinely "slip through the cracks". Whole nuclear weapons regularly
>go missing, and those that are in storage are poorly guarded and
>maintained. Keeping a lid on a classified flight test program is
>whole orders of magnitude more difficult, as any way you slice it, it
>*will* fly over or around populated areas at some point, not matter
>how much public land the US decides to take away. The Nellis range
>may be large indeed, but it soon feels tiny when testing programs for
>things like Tier 3 and the F-117 are conducted there. F-117 pilots
>have publically stated that they regularly flew training missions to
>administraively attack targets on Lake Tahoe, which is a far cry from
>a restricted military reservation.
>
>Thankfully, the Air Force doesn't control every camera in the
>country. They can't really prevent their aircraft from been
>photographed.
>
>Dan

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:06:10 PDT
From: "wayne binkley" <wbinkley@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Acquired aircraft

i may be one of the few people on this list who has had an aircraft that he 
worked on "acquired "by a communist country. in 1963 i was a crew chief on 
C-130A 55-0013.this acft. was transferred to the VNAF.some of the C-130As 
were used to escape VN in april 1975 and were reclaimed by the USAF.the rest 
are unaccounted for and i do not know if vietnam has any C-130As in flying 
condition.55-0013 was not reclaimed.

wayne d.binkley <wbinkley@hotmail.com>


>From: David Lednicer <dave@amiwest.com>
>Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
>To: Skunk Works Group <skunk-works@netwrx1.com>
>Subject: Acquired aircraft
>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:35:51 -0700
>
>
>	As for Western aircraft acquired by the Soviets and their allies,
>I have some first hand knowledge.  I visited a Polish aviation musuem in
>Krakow last year.  They have a Cessna A-37 and a Northrop F-5 with fading
>Vietnamese markings.  They were acquired in April 1975, when South Vietnam
>fell.  The Vietnamese supplied them to the Soviets, who then passed them
>on to the Poles.  The Czech aviation museum at Kbely also has a F-5,
>acquired in the same way.
>
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>David Lednicer             | "Applied Computational Fluid Dynamics"
>Analytical Methods, Inc.   |   email:   dave@amiwest.com
>2133 152nd Ave NE          |   tel:     (425) 643-9090
>Redmond, WA  98052  USA    |   fax:     (425) 746-1299
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:30:51 +0100
From: "Gavin Payne" <gbpayne@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Acquired aircraft

I agree with whoever mentioned it recently that export versions of aquired
aircraft will less value than the creator's models.  Things like radar, ECM,
ESM etc will be scaled down I imagine.

I've started my FOIA request for information on the YF-113 and YF-117, I'll
let you know if it produces anything.

Gavin

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:40:59 +0930
From: Dennis Lapcewich <Dennis.Lapcewich@unisa.edu.au>
Subject: RE: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

Quite possible.

Here in the soggy Land Down Under (we've had *wonderful* rains in the outback
again this week!), satellite phones are quite common among outback station
managers (cattle and sheep ranches).   The majority-owned govt phone giant
Telstra has television ads showing a station manager with his friends how from
his PC in is station office, he can monitor distant bores (water wells) on his
property via data, audio and video links.  The ad goes on to show him visually
observe sheep approach an empty water trough where he signals a pump to fill it
from the bore.  The distance is somewhere in excess of 500 kms.  Of course it's
all done remotely with the equipment installed onsite.  

The technology is already in the big cities here, but on a smaller scale
(Consumer penetration of mobile phones and advanced technologies is almost
twice that of America here - about 60 percent of the total population here have
a mobile phone or more advanced technologies - the US ranks in at only 34
percent.)  There are other ads here using just a digital camera, laptop and sat
phone somewhere near Dingo Whoop Whoop.  (You may recall the lipstick cameras
found all over these days - especially in sports - were pioneered in Australia.
And Oz is where the aircraft black boxes were invented, too, among other
high-tech toys.)

> i don't know much about advanced communication gear so if this is nuts then
ok. if you have a digital vcr(or still
> camera) is there any way you could down load it to a lap top and with a
portable satellite dish(i think the 
> military call them"satcoms")then bounce it to another computer via cellphone 
> or the internet? if this is possible(but maybe not feasible)it would not 
> matter what the lincoln county sheriff or DET 3  confiscated. just a thought.
>              wayne binkley <wbinkley@hotmail.com>
> >And if the Swiss Mountain Bat and his team did photograph what they
> >saw, they might have to give their film to the Lincoln County sheriff
> >or DET 3 Security Police anyway, and would have faced stiff fines.
> >And if they got the photos out and published them, they'd be in even
> >more legal trouble.
> >
> >The armed services are infinitely stupid at securing things. You
> >could ready endless GAO reports, DoD memos, and public statements to
> >that effect. DOE annual Material Unnaccounted For - missing fissile
> >material like plutonium and enriched uranium- statements clearly
> >attest that America's most valuable national security assests
> >routinely "slip through the cracks". Whole nuclear weapons regularly
> >go missing, and those that are in storage are poorly guarded and
> >maintained. Keeping a lid on a classified flight test program is
> >whole orders of magnitude more difficult, as any way you slice it, it
> >*will* fly over or around populated areas at some point, not matter
> >how much public land the US decides to take away. The Nellis range
> >may be large indeed, but it soon feels tiny when testing programs for
> >things like Tier 3 and the F-117 are conducted there. F-117 pilots
> >have publically stated that they regularly flew training missions to
> >administraively attack targets on Lake Tahoe, which is a far cry from
> >a restricted military reservation.
> >
> >Thankfully, the Air Force doesn't control every camera in the
> >country. They can't really prevent their aircraft from been
> >photographed.
> >
> >Dan
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:52:39 -0700
From: Dan Zinngrabe <quellish@gte.net>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

>i don't know much about advanced communication gear so if this is 
>nuts then ok. if you have a digital vcr(or still camera) is there 
>any way you could down load it to a lap top and with a portable 
>satellite dish(i think the military call them"satcoms")then bounce 
>it to another computer via cellphone or the internet? if this is 
>possible(but maybe not feasible)it would not matter what the lincoln 
>county sheriff or DET 3  confiscated. just a thought.
>             wayne binkley <wbinkley@hotmail.com>

There are lots of ways to do it, but you're almost certainly going to 
lose whatever equipment you bring on site, and may face criminal 
charges regardless. Not a cheap photo, eh?

Dan


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:15:02 -0400
From: "Weigold, Greg" <GREGWEIGOLD@pmsc.com>
Subject: RE: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss

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If you immediately transmitted it, and then deleted it from whatever
equipment you have onsite, how could they even begin to accuse you of taking
pictures?  Not that reality and the military ever occur at the same time....


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From: Dan Zinngrabe [mailto:quellish@gte.net]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:53 PM
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft sighted, radio transmiss


>i don't know much about advanced communication gear so if this is 
>nuts then ok. if you have a digital vcr(or still camera) is there 
>any way you could down load it to a lap top and with a portable 
>satellite dish(i think the military call them"satcoms")then bounce 
>it to another computer via cellphone or the internet? if this is 
>possible(but maybe not feasible)it would not matter what the lincoln 
>county sheriff or DET 3  confiscated. just a thought.
>             wayne binkley <wbinkley@hotmail.com>

There are lots of ways to do it, but you're almost certainly going to 
lose whatever equipment you bring on site, and may face criminal 
charges regardless. Not a cheap photo, eh?

Dan


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you immediately transmitted it, and then deleted =
it from whatever equipment you have onsite, how could they even begin =
to accuse you of taking pictures?&nbsp; Not that reality and the =
military ever occur at the same time.... </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Dan Zinngrabe [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:quellish@gte.net">mailto:quellish@gte.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:53 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: (fwd) Area 51: Triangular aircraft =
sighted, radio transmiss</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;i don't know much about advanced communication =
gear so if this is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;nuts then ok. if you have a digital vcr(or still =
camera) is there </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;any way you could down load it to a lap top and =
with a portable </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;satellite dish(i think the military call =
them&quot;satcoms&quot;)then bounce </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;it to another computer via cellphone or the =
internet? if this is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;possible(but maybe not feasible)it would not =
matter what the lincoln </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;county sheriff or DET 3&nbsp; confiscated. just =
a thought.</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; wayne binkley &lt;wbinkley@hotmail.com&gt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There are lots of ways to do it, but you're almost =
certainly going to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>lose whatever equipment you bring on site, and may =
face criminal </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>charges regardless. Not a cheap photo, eh?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dan</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The software you were born with helps</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>you write code into the wee small hours,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>find the bugs in your competitors' products,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and create fake demos for the first</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>six months of a project. It deserves</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the operating system designed to work</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with it: the MacOS.</FONT>
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