From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V9 #46 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Saturday, June 24 2000 Volume 09 : Number 046 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum] RE: FWD (EXT) Atomic Demolition Munitions Re: FWD (EXT) Re(22): National Missile Defense [was - eeyore and tigger] [[Part 1 of 2]] FWD (EXT) Re: Atomic Demolition Munitions Re: FWD (EXT) Re(22): National Missile Defense [was - eeyore and tigger] [[Part 1 of 2]] Re: FWD (EXT) Re: Atomic Demolition Munitions Re: New U-2 Book Re: New U-2 Book Re: New U-2 Book Habu event in Richmond, VA October 14-15 Final B-2 Re: Final B-2 Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum] Re: Final B-2 FWD [fort] Evil Clowns: Phantom, Pogo and Pennywise Re: FWD [fort] Evil Clowns: Phantom, Pogo and Pennywise FWD (TLCB/PVT) Re: Boeing B-52G Stratofortress *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:37:32 -0500 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum] - ----- Original Message ----- From: UFO To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum] UFO said >Allen Thomson wrote: >>If, as I think, we're talking about detecting the radiation given off by a >>nuclear bomb before it explodes, we'll never, ever have the capability of >>doing that from space, simply because there's nothing to detect outside the >>atmosphere if the bomb is on the ground. It's that 10-meters of water >>equivalent screening, plus the low radioactivity of bombs that gets you. The >>100+ km stand-off range doesn't help either. > Well I'm not talking about "bouy bombs" and I'm not talking about a sattelite just > happening to detect a nuclear weapon. More like the MAD example where they >would have to be looking for it. >Anyway, I guess I don't have much more info I could lend you at the moment. >Perhaps we should agree to disagree and meet back here in 5 years and see >who was right? >:) <~confident smirk It's a deal. Betcha a Big Mac with fries it doesn't happen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:07:04 -0400 From: "Morris, Andrew" Subject: RE: FWD (EXT) Atomic Demolition Munitions At the Atomic Bomb Museum at Kirkland AFB in Albuquerque (a must see for anyone with time on their hands while attending the Balloon Festival there) you will see an example of Uncle Sam's handiwork, that was my favorite there: The US Army Issue Atomic Backpack! This small nuke was carried into battle by an infantryman (I doubt an officer would carry it). The museum has examples of everything from the backpack to the bomb the size of a Winnebago that the pilot described as the bomb releasing the plane more than the other way around. They have a B-52 and I think the Atomic Cannon is there as well. Sneaking around the base is fun too, I took photos of a B-1 undergoing EMP testing, what a weird set up they use for that! Andy Morris Ooops, by admitting that will my house be searched now? - -----Original Message----- From: Terry W. Colvin [mailto:fortean1@frontiernet.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:55 PM To: forteana@primenet.com; skunk-works@netwrx1.com; tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Subject: FWD (EXT) Atomic Demolition Munitions Brian D Williams wrote: For those interested in Atomic Demolition Munitions see: < http://www.brook.edu/FP/projects/nucwcost/madm.htm > One could be light and portable enough for one man to carry and deploy -- a backpack or suitcase nuke. Terry - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org >[Allies, CIA/NSA, and Vietnam veterans welcome] Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:34:52 +0100 From: "Gavin Payne" Subject: Re: FWD (EXT) Re(22): National Missile Defense [was - eeyore and tigger] [[Part 1 of 2]] I didn't write all of this please don't mis-quote me! >Gavin Payne wrote: >> Yes, and there were artillery shells developed for 4 and 8 inch guns that >were >> nuke capable. Once the gummint had a better idea of what lingering >radiation >> could do, many of those were retired and dismantled. Some were kept in >europe >> for helping to winnow down the 20 to 1 odds against us in armor capability >the >> Warsaw Pact had if they tried to take western europe. So far as I know, >many or >> most are no longer in service. Those still in storage are kept at places >like >> Dugway which are VERY secure. >One of the most famous videos of a nuke explosion is of an artillery shell. You can >see, you guessed it, a howitzer in front of the explosion. I think the yield for artillery >nukes was usually like .1 KT wasn't it? Do you still get a muchroom cloud and all that with a yield of that size? >>I hadn't heard of Dugway so looked around on the web for it. No where >>mentioned the nuke storage (as if you'd expect the official site to!) but >>apparently its being used to X-33 testing and they're building a 15,000 ft >>runway at the moment. >Why? They already have one that's 13,000 ft long. Are they building a new one or >lengthening that one by a mere 2,000 feet? I don't know, does the air force have anything heavy that might have trouble with a 13,000 foot runway? I know a B-52 likes to have about 10,000 foot, a C-5 probably a bit less considering its wing span. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:03:55 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD (EXT) Re: Atomic Demolition Munitions Try this web site for The National Atomic Museum: < http://www.atomicmuseum.com/ > My last visit to Kirtland AFB was a MILSTAR military TDY in 1989. Terry - ----- At the Atomic Bomb Museum at Kirkland AFB in Albuquerque (a must see for anyone with time on their hands while attending the Balloon Festival there) you will see an example of Uncle Sam's handiwork, that was my favorite there: The US Army Issue Atomic Backpack! This small nuke was carried into battle by an infantryman (I doubt an officer would carry it). The museum has examples of everything from the backpack to the bomb the size of a Winnebago that the pilot described as the bomb releasing the plane more than the other way around. They have a B-52 and I think the Atomic Cannon is there as well. Sneaking around the base is fun too, I took photos of a B-1 undergoing EMP testing, what a weird set up they use for that! Andy Morris Ooops, by admitting that will my house be searched now? - -----Original Message----- From: Terry W. Colvin [mailto:fortean1@frontiernet.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:55 PM To: forteana@primenet.com; skunk-works@netwrx1.com; tlc-brotherhood@NoPostage.com Subject: FWD (EXT) Atomic Demolition Munitions Brian D Williams wrote: For those interested in Atomic Demolition Munitions see: < http://www.brook.edu/FP/projects/nucwcost/madm.htm > One could be light and portable enough for one man to carry and deploy -- a backpack or suitcase nuke. Terry - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org >[Allies, CIA/NSA, and Vietnam veterans welcome] Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:14:19 -0500 From: UFO Subject: Re: FWD (EXT) Re(22): National Missile Defense [was - eeyore and tigger] [[Part 1 of 2]]  

Gavin Payne wrote:

I didn't write all of this please don't mis-quote me!
I know, I was replying to his reply to your reply.... or something like that lol Sorry if I messed up the names, I just hit reply and typed away to anyone who wanted to answer.
 

I wrote:

I think the yield for artillery nukes was usually like .1 KT wasn't it?
you inquired:
 
Do you still get a muchroom cloud and all that with a yield of that size?
 
I suppose so, you get a small mushroom cloud with a stick of dynamite and other explosives. It's just the natural way the heat billows. I'm not sure the size of the one I was talking about in the footage, it may have been more, but it had a nice mushroom cloud and if i'm not mistaken, the artillery nukes that went into service had a yield of around .1 KT, so if my shaky memory on the yield is correct and the video I'm talking about was the same yield, yes you get a very nice mushroom.
 

Someone else wrote that the runway at Dugway was being built to 13,000 feet.

I asked:

Why? They already have one that's 13,000 ft long. Are they building a new
one or lengthening that one by a mere 2,000 feet?
 
you replied:
I don't know, does the air force have anything heavy that might have trouble
with a 13,000 foot runway?  I know a B-52 likes to have about 10,000 foot, a
C-5 probably a bit less considering its wing span.
Well the X-33 is being tested at Dugway and I'm sure it could use all the runway it can get it's hands on and is probably the reason for any lengthening, but it just seems odd to me to build a 15,000 footer when they already have a 13,000 ft runway there. Was just curious as to whether they're building a new one or just lengthening the old one by the odd amount of a mere 2,000 feet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:31:09 -0700 From: Dan Zinngrabe Subject: Re: FWD (EXT) Re: Atomic Demolition Munitions >Try this web site for The National Atomic Museum: > >< http://www.atomicmuseum.com/ > > >My last visit to Kirtland AFB was a MILSTAR military TDY in 1989. > >Terry This should be of significant interest to those looking to learn more about man-portable atomic bombs: For only $15.00, you too can have the ADM deployment field manual: This mentions Chinese ADMs: And, or course, Russian missing ADMs: _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ The software you were born with helps you follow thousands of different threads on the Internet, whip up gourmet feasts using only ingredients from the 24-hour store, and use words like "paradigm" and "orthogonal" in casual conversation. It deserves the operating system designed to work with it: the MacOS. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:02:12 EDT From: UKdragon@aol.com Subject: Re: New U-2 Book jdonoghue@draper.com writes: << Chris Pocock's new U-2 history is available from Schiffer Books and Barnes and Noble online. (Probably will show up in Borders and Barnes and Noble stores soon too.) >> Although Joe has been a great research help on my new book, I didn't ask him to promote it for me - honest! Now that he has done so, however, I'll add a few points which may be of particular interest to this readership: 1) for serial number buffs, we finally figured out the correct production sequence and solved the mystery of Article 390 2) ten years ago, when I wrote DRAGON LADY, I really couldn't figure out what the U-2B model really was. Solved that mystery too, this time, with the help of Jeff Richelson. 3) Thanks to my good friend Yefim Gordon in Moscow, the book also has some details on the REAL "U-2ski" eg the Beriev S-13. 4) Maximum range and altitude. Would you believe, the USAF still considers this data sensitive for the early U-2 models, even though they were retired from operational service over 20 years ago! I took that one to a FOIA appeal and (predictably) lost (does anyone ever win one of those?). Fortunately, I had some private informants...:) Apart from those mentioned above, there are other readers of this list who helped me in research. To them, my grateful thanks! Regards Chris Pocock <> UKdragon@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:49:52 -0600 From: Mike Habermehl Subject: Re: New U-2 Book Chris, I've got the new book on order and really looking forward to reading it. Hope to catch you over here sometime and get it autographed just like "Dragon Lady." I had talked to Jay last week and he told me all about it. Best, Mike Habermehl UKdragon@aol.com wrote: > jdonoghue@draper.com writes: > > << Chris Pocock's new U-2 history is available from Schiffer Books and Barnes > and Noble online. (Probably will show up in Borders and Barnes and Noble > stores soon too.) >> > > Although Joe has been a great research help on my new book, I didn't ask him > to promote it for me - honest! > > Now that he has done so, however, I'll add a few points which may be of > particular interest to this readership: > > 1) for serial number buffs, we finally figured out the correct production > sequence and solved the mystery of Article 390 > > 2) ten years ago, when I wrote DRAGON LADY, I really couldn't figure out > what the U-2B model really was. Solved that mystery too, this time, with the > help of Jeff Richelson. > > 3) Thanks to my good friend Yefim Gordon in Moscow, the book also has some > details on the REAL "U-2ski" eg the Beriev S-13. > > 4) Maximum range and altitude. Would you believe, the USAF still considers > this data sensitive for the early U-2 models, even though they were retired > from operational service over 20 years ago! I took that one to a FOIA appeal > and (predictably) lost (does anyone ever win one of those?). Fortunately, I > had some private informants...:) > > Apart from those mentioned above, there are other readers of this list who > helped me in research. To them, my grateful thanks! > > Regards Chris Pocock <> > > UKdragon@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:11:04 +0100 From: "Gavin Payne" Subject: Re: New U-2 Book Chris are you the guy who went round RIAT Fairford 99 on a small bike? Just wondering :) > jdonoghue@draper.com writes: > > << Chris Pocock's new U-2 history is available from Schiffer Books and Barnes > and Noble online. (Probably will show up in Borders and Barnes and Noble > stores soon too.) >> > > Although Joe has been a great research help on my new book, I didn't ask him > to promote it for me - honest! > > Now that he has done so, however, I'll add a few points which may be of > particular interest to this readership: > > 1) for serial number buffs, we finally figured out the correct production > sequence and solved the mystery of Article 390 > > 2) ten years ago, when I wrote DRAGON LADY, I really couldn't figure out > what the U-2B model really was. Solved that mystery too, this time, with the > help of Jeff Richelson. > > 3) Thanks to my good friend Yefim Gordon in Moscow, the book also has some > details on the REAL "U-2ski" eg the Beriev S-13. > > 4) Maximum range and altitude. Would you believe, the USAF still considers > this data sensitive for the early U-2 models, even though they were retired > from operational service over 20 years ago! I took that one to a FOIA appeal > and (predictably) lost (does anyone ever win one of those?). Fortunately, I > had some private informants...:) > > Apart from those mentioned above, there are other readers of this list who > helped me in research. To them, my grateful thanks! > > Regards Chris Pocock <> > > UKdragon@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: David Allison Subject: Habu event in Richmond, VA October 14-15 Mark your calendars for October 14-15, 2000. The Virginia Aviation Museum, home of SR-71 #61-7968, will be hosting a 2-day event featuring 17 blackbird crews. The museum is located on the grounds of Richmond International Airport. There will be at least 2 forum panels each day, featuring 6 to 8 blackbird crews each. There will also be demonstrations at the museum's SR-71, as well as videos at the museum's theater throughout the day. Some of the scheduled guests are: Tom Alison - SR-71 pilot and squadron commander Donn Byrnes - SR-71 flight test engineer; co-author of "Blackbird Rising" Rich Graham - SR-71 pilot, squadron commander, and author of "SR-71 Revealed: The Inside Story" Leland Haynes - SR-71 crew chief and webmaster of SR-71 Blackbirds (www.wvi.com/~lelandh/sr-71~1.htm) Curt Osterheld - SR-71 RSO who appeared in "SR-71 Blackbird: The Secret Vigil" Lou Schalk - Lockheed test pilot; first person to fly any blackbird John Storrie - SR-71 pilot; gave Sen. Barry Goldwater his VIP flight BC Thomas - SR-71 pilot; logged more hours than any other blackbird pilot Dewain Vick - SR-71 RSO; he and Tom Estes received the Harman and Mackay trophies in 1971 for their endurance flight in 968 Noel Widdifield - SR-71 RSO; he and Jim Sullivan set speed record from New York to London in 1974 More details on the event can be found at this web page: http://www.habu.org/museums/vam/sr71forum2000.html Sincerely, - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:47:30 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: Final B-2 000924. Air Force dedicates B-2 to America LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- The U.S. Air Force will name the nation's newest B-2 Spirit stealth bomber the "Spirit of America" in a ceremony here July 14. The "Spirit of America," the 21st and final B-2 stealth bomber to be named, will be on display immediately following the ceremony. This is a rare opportunity to see the highly advanced aircraft up close. Visitors can view the "Spirit of America," talk with crewmembers, and take home autographed posters of the B-2. Scheduled to preside over the naming ceremony are Gen. John Jumper, Air Combat Command commander, and Kent Kresa, chairman of the board, president and chief executive officer of Northrop Grumman Corp. Col. Stephen Goldfein, 1st Fighter Wing commander, will host the event. Nineteen of the previous 20 B-2s are named after states; the exception is the B-2 representing North Carolina, which is named "Spirit of Kitty Hawk." The B-2 stealth bomber, based at Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., is capable of delivering conventional and nuclear munitions anywhere on the globe. Its combination of low observability, large payload capacity, near-precision munitions and long range give it a unique ability to penetrate sophisticated defenses and deny an enemy's war-making capability. The B-2 was used extensively in NATO operations in Kosovo. Flying 30-hour missions, the B-2 was highly effective because of its ability to deliver satellite-guided munitions in any weather conditions. The B-2 Spirit is an integral part of the U.S. Air Force's bomber force, which also includes the B-1B Lancer and the B-52H Stratofortress. Together, this bomber fleet gives the nation the capability to rapidly respond to crises anywhere in the world with tremendous lethality at minimal risk to American lives. For more information on the ceremony, contact the 1st Fighter Wing Public Affairs Office at (757) 764-2018. (Courtesy of ACC News Service) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:23:16 -0500 From: "Tom C Robison" Subject: Re: Final B-2 "LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- The U.S. Air Force will name the nation's newest B-2 Spirit stealth bomber the "Spirit of America" in a ceremony here July 14." Every time I see "Spirit of America", I think of Craig Breedlove's land speed record cars of the 60s/70s. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:02:08 -0500 From: UFO Subject: Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum] McDonald's? Yuk. Betting about as low as humanly possible aren't you? I would too in your shoes  ;)

Allen Thomson wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: UFO
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: FWD (TLCB) Re: NMD [Addendum]

UFO said

>Allen Thomson wrote:

>>If, as I think, we're talking about detecting the radiation given off by a
>>nuclear bomb before it explodes, we'll never, ever have the capability of
>>doing that from space, simply because there's nothing to detect outside
the
>>atmosphere if the bomb is on the ground. It's that 10-meters of water
>>equivalent screening, plus the low radioactivity of bombs that gets you.
The
>>100+ km stand-off range doesn't help either.

> Well I'm not talking about "bouy bombs" and I'm not talking about a
sattelite just
> happening to detect a nuclear weapon. More like the MAD example where they
>would  have to be looking for it.

>Anyway, I guess I don't have much more info I could lend you at the moment.
>Perhaps we should agree to disagree and meet back here in 5 years and see
>who was right?
>:)  <~confident smirk

It's a deal.  Betcha a Big Mac with fries it doesn't happen.

------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:05:19 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: Final B-2 At 05:23 PM 6/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > >"LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- The U.S. Air Force will name the >nation's newest B-2 Spirit stealth bomber the "Spirit of America" in a >ceremony here July 14." > >Every time I see "Spirit of America", I think of Craig Breedlove's >land speed record cars of the 60s/70s. > >Tom > > > Me too, but I had to post it anyway. :) John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:06:47 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD [fort] Evil Clowns: Phantom, Pogo and Pennywise While Stephen King may have had "Phantom Clown" reports in mind when he wrote IT, with "Pennywise the Clown," his main inspiration was Chicago serial killer John "Bury-'Em-in-the-Basement" Gacy, whose crimes were found out at Christmastime, 1978. This genuinely evil man's main occupation was as a housing contractor (he hired young boys as workers and then killed them), but he ALSO found time to rent himself out to childrens' birthday parties and the like as "Pogo the Clown." Gacy's clown makeup (the traditional "Auguste" type) had a lot of sharp edges in the facial makeup - his mouth area looked exactly like a big bat. Professional circus clowns at the time pointed out that this was the earmark of the amateur clown - the pros know that sharp edges frighten children. I think these veteran clowns were wrong in just one regard - Gacy KNEW what he was doing. He used that bat-wing mouth BECAUSE it frightened children. I think Gacy was also the inspiration for the "Phantom Clown" reports. There seems to be about a two-year "gestation" period before things like this fully enter the word of childhood mythology. (Please, folks, I am NOT discounting a genuine Fortean component here.) The same thing happened in my own childhood. When I was in the first grade in 1948, in a peaceful little Kentucky river town, there was a rumor going around among the six-to-eight-year-olds that "there's a man who hides in the lavatories and he's got great a big knife. When a kid goes in there alone, he cuts them up in little pieces, then throws them down the sewer on the corner." In adult life I realized who the "man" had been - 16-year-old William Hierens, the famous "catch me before I kill more" killer, whose eloquently pleading phrase saved him from the electric chair. He'd chopped up poor 5-year-old Suzanne Degman (I might have the spelling wrong) and threw the pieces down a sewer. It had taken, once again, two years to migrate from newspaper headlines to childhood mythology. There is one difference. Children SAW the "phantom clowns." None of us actually saw the knife-wielding maniac. (Hey, I'm not complaining!) Comments anyone? (George Wagner) - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org >[Allies, CIA/NSA, and Vietnam veterans welcome] Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:02:30 EDT From: MELUMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: FWD [fort] Evil Clowns: Phantom, Pogo and Pennywise Yes, George, I have a "comment". Why not go back to Transylvania, where you belong? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:04:39 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: FWD (TLCB/PVT) Re: Boeing B-52G Stratofortress "Terry W. Colvin" wrote: > Last of the giants > and now serve mainly as launchers for the AGM-86B air-launched cruise > missile. ==========Interesting! While I was stationed at Seymour Johnson, they put a Hound Dog on display in the Parking Lot outside the Officers Club. I went down to take a couple pictures of it, and while there, this rather large pilot type came out of the club, still in his flight suit. He apparently was a BUFF pilot. As he walked by, he said, "Shame it ain't worth a shit!" It kind of surprised me, and I said, "Really?" to which he added, "That thing ain't worth a tinkers damn!" I personally didn't know a thing about the Hound Dog, but he sure had a low opinion of it! Randy Ryman - -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@frontiernet.net > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org >[Allies, CIA/NSA, and Vietnam veterans welcome] Southeast Asia (SEA) service: Vietnam - Theater Telecommunications Center/HHC, 1st Aviation Brigade (Jan 71 - Aug 72) Thailand/Laos - Telecommunications Center/U.S. Army Support Thailand (USARSUPTHAI), Camp Samae San (Jan 73 - Aug 73) - Special Security/Strategic Communications - Thailand (STRATCOM - Thailand), Phu Mu (Pig Mountain) Signal Site (Aug 73 - Jan 74) ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V9 #46 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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