From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V9 #74 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Thursday, September 21 2000 Volume 09 : Number 074 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: Development schedules RE: Development schedules Re: JSF takes first flight - see video Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar aircraft [none] Re: net surfing Re: Specific SR-71 Info RE: net surfing RE: JSF takes first flight - see video RE: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar a ircraft Development Schedules Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar a ircraft *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 100 14:28:16 GMT From: betnal@ns.net Subject: Re: Development schedules An amplification/correction to something I said last night (sorry, the hour was late) which is directly related to this list: The way JSF came about was that the Marines were developing ASTOVL, their replacement for the AV-8B, F/A-18 and hopefully EA-6B. This was a real, ongoing program that was actually going to produce an aircraft,and had not yet been canceled. USAF was starting their F-16 replacement, the MRF (Multi-Role Fighter), although whether real funding would have been requested to actually bend metal (composite?) us debatable. The Navy at this point had nothing but a requirement, since A/FX was canceled during this period, but expected to come up with something using technology developed under the JAST (Joint Advanced Strike Technology) program. JAST, by the way, originally was not intended to actually produce an operational aircraft, but sort of to develop technologies that could be used in future aircraft. Actually, there was quite some confusion about what JAST actually was. Congress stepped in, and in a bipartisan move passed legislation directing that ASTOVL, MRF and whatever the Navy was going to get be merged into a basically common airframe under the auspices of JAST. They didn't see a need for a separate ASTOVL and MRF, nor the need to fund both of them, if requested. This Congressionally initiated program became what is now known as JSF. This name replaced JAST, which is why to this day the official web site is still known as jast.mil, not jsf.mil. JSF is essentially a longer ranged MRF, with a STOVL version for the Marines. The Navy gets a version that carries more fuel and possibly a larger internal payload (the others versions may end up matching the payload) but these requirements are constrained by the common airframe. Since the Marines were the only ones with an actually ongoing program, and have the most critical need, they are the strongest advocate. Even though their version is essentially a STOVL MRF, it meets their need, so they're happy with it. USAF and USN's support is there, but not as strong. Advancing technology, though, has made JSF turn out to be more capable than originally thought. I can't believe it--- I just praised Congress again! I've got to do penance. Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:25:35 -0400 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: Development schedules This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023E0.87F05558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That'll be 3 Hail Mary's, 2 Our Father's, and put something in the JSF poor basket - -----Original Message----- From: betnal@ns.net [mailto:betnal@ns.net] Sent: None To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: Development schedules I can't believe it--- I just praised Congress again! I've got to do penance. Art - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023E0.87F05558 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Development schedules

That'll be 3 Hail Mary's, 2 Our Father's, and put something in the JSF poor basket

-----Original Message-----
From: betnal@ns.net [mailto:betnal@ns.net]
Sent: None
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: Re: Development schedules

<snip>

    I can't believe it--- I just praised Congress again!  I've got to do
penance.



                Art



- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023E0.87F05558-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:46:48 EDT From: SkyeFire@aol.com Subject: Re: JSF takes first flight - see video In a message dated 9/19/00 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GregWeigold@mynd.com writes: > > There is a story about the Boeing version taking its first flight, on > Monday, and a short video (about 1:45) > > It is an UGLY plane, at least from the front! Ugly is good. Ugly planes always last longer, do more, and are harder to kill. Look at the F-4, the P-47, the A-10, etc. So an ugly prototype is a good omen. - -- David McMillan, Imagineer at Large. Chief Systems Analyst and Integration Engineer, Exotic Technologies Division, KUKA GmbH. Mecha and Weapons Design Specialist. "Agent Mulder? My name is Neo. I believe I may be able to show you part of the truth you've been searching for. I should warn you, however -- it's not what you think." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:54:17 -0500 From: George R. Kasica Subject: Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar aircraft On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:10:49 +0200, you wrote: >Hi there, >I wonder if you can help/advise please. >This is a long shot but one never knows. >I found your site while browsing the net. > >I am currently researching for a book that is in the making covering the >history of South African Airways. My co author Steve Morrison and I are >trying to establish the fates of the aircraft that saw service with SAA. >Some of the aircraft went to the USA, during the 1950's. It is possible that >some of the Lockheed Lodestar aircraft were used for "questionable" duties >(smuggling etc). Do you know anyone who is an enthusiast or who has access >to a data base of aircraft registrations who can help us with the fates of >the aircraft that I have listed below. ZS is the South African register >followed by the aircraft constructors number and then followed by the >information that we have for that aircraft. We need to know what happened to >these aircraft after they left SAA, who, what, where, when etc Some went to >Interstate Airlines. Is that the correct name (Interstate Airlines or >Interstate Aircraft Company) Do you know how to find the original >owners/operators or anyone who worked for Interstate or Indamer who could >help us with >our project of tracing the fates of the ex South African Airways Lodestars >operated by Interstate Airlines and or Indamer? >Also if anyone has photographs of the SAA Lodestars and 749A Constellations >during manufacture or delivery etc. >I would be most grateful if you can help us >Thanks a ton >Cheers >John >Please visit www.saamuseum.co.za > >Lockheed Lodestar > >ZS-ASO c/n 2029 to N65C >ZS-ASP c/n 2030 to N667 Interstate then Peru OB-F557 >ZS-ASU c/n 2035 to N6064 then N102V >ZS-ASX c/n 2038 to N94550 Indamer >ZS-ASY c/n 2044 to N669 Interstate Last known owner William C Dause >ZS-ATA c/n 2046 to N670 Interstate then Peru OB-F-558 >ZS-ATB c/n 2047 to N94547 then N56M Aero American Corporation >ZS-ATI c/n 2055 to N671 Interstate >ZS-AVS c/n 2069 to N672 Interstate >ZS-AVT c/n 2137 to N673 Interstate > > > > > John: I'll forward this to the Skunk Works Mailing list and ask that anyone that can help please contact you directly. I personally can't give you the information you need, but I think its a good possibility that someone on the list can. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:28:09 -0500 From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: [none] >>From support_bounce@get.topica.com Thu Sep 21 11:16:14 2000 >Received: from outmta002.topica.com ([206.132.75.237]) > by eagle.netwrx1.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) > id 13c91C-0001Ru-00 > for skunk-works@netwrx1.com; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:16:14 -0500 >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >From: w binkley >Subject: REPLY REQUIRED: Subscription to (G)round (U)nit (Y)et (S)table offered >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:15:39 -0700 >Message-ID: <0.0.1581358355-212058698-969552939@topica.com> >Reply-To: guys-optin-conf-89475344.5697841@topica.com > > >Hello, > >w binkley, the owner of the email list '(G)round (U)nit (Y)et (S)table', >is inviting you to join this list at Topica. > >Here's the description of the list: > >primarily for people who used to be on flying status while in military service,but for one reason or another no longer fly as a crewmember.feel free to discuss how you have coped with not being able to"aviate" on a regular basis any more,your first,most memorable,scariest(there i was at 20,000ft....)flight.tell us about the places you have been,the things you have seen and done,the people you met along the way"hanger flying,etc is encouraged,in short,talk about anything connected to your flying experiences.(NOTE: religion and politics are expressly forbidden-use WEEDS for that) > > >TO SUBSCRIBE TO THIS LIST: > >Simply click reply in your email program, and then send - we'll >automatically add you to the list. > >If this list does not interest you (or you do not want to join >the list at this time), just ignore this message and you will >not be added. > >If you have any questions about the list, you can contact the >list owner at wbinkley@hotmail.com. > >Thank you, > >Natasha >Topica Customer Support Sender: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:32:04 GMT From: "wayne binkley" Subject: Re: net surfing i would like to see that over head shot.what are the coordinates for DM AFB,or the "city". wayne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: John Szalay Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: net surfing Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:03:23 -0400 At 05:44 PM 9/20/00 GMT, you wrote: >john,i think the "key" word here is "suitability".no one said that C-130s >are not available.using C-130s as "water bombers" is very hard on the >airframe,especially the center wing box structure.i The LC-130 is the ski equipped version and there are 4 of those, but then I took a look at the Terraserver picture of the boneyard, and atleast 12 of those herc's are already in pieces (1996 view) and many are already missing engines so I would expect that out of the the 60+ planes there, probably less than 12 are "available" for use.. so much for that theory.... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:45:05 -0700 From: "Dave Cox" Subject: Re: Specific SR-71 Info On 21 Sep 00, at 9:15, David wrote: > >Thanks for the info. I'm a little confused though - as John's site >confirms: > >"28 Jul 1976 >SR-71A #962 set an Altitude World Record of 85,068.997 ft, USAF >Pilot/RSO: BobHelt/Larry Elliott (LSB; BB) " Uh, pardon my incredulity, but just how do you measure an 85Kft altitude to an accuracy of 0.012"? At Mach 3, it's not like you've got all day to average the signal. And this altitude is relative to what? This is a tiny fraction of the tidal altitude variation in any given chunk of dry land. - --dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:51:04 -0700 From: Erik Hoel Subject: RE: net surfing wayne binkley [mailto:wbinkley@hotmail.com] wrote: > > i would like to see that over head shot.what are the > coordinates for DM > AFB,or the "city". Try this url at the TerraServer: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=645&Y=4446&Z=12&W=2 The image is from 12/94 - quite a few B-52s ... Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:57:27 -0400 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: JSF takes first flight - see video This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.5C2FC14E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You're certainly right about the A-10!! I read recently that someone predicted the airframes to still be in use until 2030!! Is that possible? - -----Original Message----- From: SkyeFire@aol.com [mailto:SkyeFire@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:47 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: JSF takes first flight - see video In a message dated 9/19/00 1:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GregWeigold@mynd.com writes: > > There is a story about the Boeing version taking its first flight, on > Monday, and a short video (about 1:45) > > It is an UGLY plane, at least from the front! Ugly is good. Ugly planes always last longer, do more, and are harder to kill. Look at the F-4, the P-47, the A-10, etc. So an ugly prototype is a good omen. - -- David McMillan, Imagineer at Large. Chief Systems Analyst and Integration Engineer, Exotic Technologies Division, KUKA GmbH. Mecha and Weapons Design Specialist. "Agent Mulder? My name is Neo. I believe I may be able to show you part of the truth you've been searching for. I should warn you, however -- it's not what you think." - -- - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.5C2FC14E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: JSF takes first flight - see video

You're certainly right about the A-10!!   I = read recently that someone predicted the airframes to still be in use = until 2030!!

Is that possible?

-----Original Message-----
From: SkyeFire@aol.com [mailto:SkyeFire@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:47 AM
To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: Re: JSF takes first flight - see = video


In a message dated 9/19/00 1:30:58 PM Eastern = Daylight Time,
GregWeigold@mynd.com writes:

>
>  There is a story about the Boeing version = taking its first flight, on
>  Monday, and a short video (about = 1:45) 
> 
>  It is an UGLY plane, at least from the = front!

  Ugly is good.  Ugly planes always last = longer, do more, and are harder to
kill.  Look at the F-4, the P-47, the A-10, = etc. 
  So an ugly prototype is a good omen.  = <grin>


--
David McMillan, Imagineer at Large. 
Chief Systems Analyst and Integration Engineer, = Exotic Technologies Division,
KUKA GmbH.  Mecha and Weapons Design = Specialist.
"Agent Mulder?  My name is Neo.  I = believe I may be able to show you part of
the truth you've been searching for.  I should = warn you, however -- it's not
what you think."
--

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.5C2FC14E-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:58:47 -0400 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar a ircraft This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.8C1801BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds liek something Andreas could give him without even researching! Greg W - -----Original Message----- From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:54 AM To: John Austin-Williams Cc: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar aircraft On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:10:49 +0200, you wrote: >Hi there, >I wonder if you can help/advise please. >This is a long shot but one never knows. >I found your site while browsing the net. > >I am currently researching for a book that is in the making covering the >history of South African Airways. My co author Steve Morrison and I are >trying to establish the fates of the aircraft that saw service with SAA. >Some of the aircraft went to the USA, during the 1950's. It is possible that >some of the Lockheed Lodestar aircraft were used for "questionable" duties >(smuggling etc). Do you know anyone who is an enthusiast or who has access >to a data base of aircraft registrations who can help us with the fates of >the aircraft that I have listed below. ZS is the South African register >followed by the aircraft constructors number and then followed by the >information that we have for that aircraft. We need to know what happened to >these aircraft after they left SAA, who, what, where, when etc Some went to >Interstate Airlines. Is that the correct name (Interstate Airlines or >Interstate Aircraft Company) Do you know how to find the original >owners/operators or anyone who worked for Interstate or Indamer who could >help us with >our project of tracing the fates of the ex South African Airways Lodestars >operated by Interstate Airlines and or Indamer? >Also if anyone has photographs of the SAA Lodestars and 749A Constellations >during manufacture or delivery etc. >I would be most grateful if you can help us >Thanks a ton >Cheers >John >Please visit www.saamuseum.co.za > >Lockheed Lodestar > >ZS-ASO c/n 2029 to N65C >ZS-ASP c/n 2030 to N667 Interstate then Peru OB-F557 >ZS-ASU c/n 2035 to N6064 then N102V >ZS-ASX c/n 2038 to N94550 Indamer >ZS-ASY c/n 2044 to N669 Interstate Last known owner William C Dause >ZS-ATA c/n 2046 to N670 Interstate then Peru OB-F-558 >ZS-ATB c/n 2047 to N94547 then N56M Aero American Corporation >ZS-ATI c/n 2055 to N671 Interstate >ZS-AVS c/n 2069 to N672 Interstate >ZS-AVT c/n 2137 to N673 Interstate > > > > > John: I'll forward this to the Skunk Works Mailing list and ask that anyone that can help please contact you directly. I personally can't give you the information you need, but I think its a good possibility that someone on the list can. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.8C1801BE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar aircraft

Sounds liek something Andreas could give him without even researching!  <grin>

Greg W

-----Original Message-----
From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:54 AM
To: John Austin-Williams
Cc: skunk-works@netwrx1.com
Subject: Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar
aircraft


On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:10:49 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi there,
>I wonder if you can help/advise please.
>This is a long shot but one never knows.
>I found your site while browsing the net.
>
>I am currently researching for a book that is in the making covering the
>history of South African Airways. My co author Steve Morrison and I are
>trying to establish the fates of the aircraft that saw service with SAA.
>Some of the aircraft went to the USA, during the 1950's. It is possible that
>some of the Lockheed Lodestar aircraft were used for "questionable" duties
>(smuggling etc). Do you know anyone who is an enthusiast or who has access
>to a data base of aircraft registrations who can help us with the fates of
>the aircraft that I have listed below. ZS is the South African register
>followed by the aircraft constructors number and then followed by the
>information that we have for that aircraft. We need to know what happened to
>these aircraft after they left SAA, who, what, where, when etc Some went to
>Interstate Airlines. Is that the correct name (Interstate Airlines or
>Interstate Aircraft Company) Do you know how to find the original
>owners/operators or anyone who worked for Interstate or Indamer who could
>help us with
>our project of tracing the fates of the ex South African Airways Lodestars
>operated by Interstate Airlines and or Indamer?
>Also if anyone has photographs of the SAA Lodestars and 749A Constellations
>during manufacture or delivery etc.
>I would be most grateful if you can help us
>Thanks a ton
>Cheers
>John
>Please visit www.saamuseum.co.za
>
>Lockheed Lodestar
>
>ZS-ASO c/n 2029 to N65C
>ZS-ASP c/n 2030 to N667 Interstate then Peru OB-F557
>ZS-ASU c/n 2035 to N6064 then N102V
>ZS-ASX c/n 2038 to N94550 Indamer
>ZS-ASY c/n 2044 to N669 Interstate Last known owner William C Dause
>ZS-ATA c/n 2046 to N670 Interstate then Peru OB-F-558
>ZS-ATB c/n 2047 to N94547 then N56M Aero American Corporation
>ZS-ATI c/n 2055 to N671 Interstate
>ZS-AVS c/n 2069 to N672 Interstate
>ZS-AVT c/n 2137 to N673 Interstate
>
>
>
>
>
John:

I'll forward this to the Skunk Works Mailing list and ask that anyone
that can help please contact you directly. I personally can't give you
the information you need, but I think its a good possibility that
someone on the list can.

George

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C023ED.8C1801BE-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:06:06 -0700 From: David Lednicer Subject: Development Schedules Art, I'm impressed - your response was excellent. I don't agree with you totally, but you kept your cool and gave a balanced response (I can't say that I kept my cool completely). One thing to consider regarding "funding bulges". As result of the Reagan budgets, the US was heavily in debt and the debt was increasing quickly. Something drastic had to be done. The very fact that we now see surpluses and an attempt to buy down the debt means that programs of all sorts (military, social, etc.) had to suffer. Additionally, development costs have skyrocketed on programs. The inevitable results is that yes, we are going to stretch-outs. We knew this on Comanche back in the mid 1980s. If what you say is true, I think they were gambling that the financial situation would be better when the bill arrived than it was in the early 1990s. From what I see, this gamble appears to be working. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:11 -0500 From: George R. Kasica Subject: Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar a ircraft Lets hope so....Andreas if you're out there I'd suggest a direct email since I don't think he's on list or digest. George >Sounds liek something Andreas could give him without even researching! > > >Greg W > >-----Original Message----- >From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:54 AM >To: John Austin-Williams >Cc: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: Re: To George R, Kasica skunk-works re ex SAA Lockheed Lodestar >aircraft > > >On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:10:49 +0200, you wrote: > >>Hi there, >>I wonder if you can help/advise please. >>This is a long shot but one never knows. >>I found your site while browsing the net. >> >>I am currently researching for a book that is in the making covering the >>history of South African Airways. My co author Steve Morrison and I are >>trying to establish the fates of the aircraft that saw service with SAA. >>Some of the aircraft went to the USA, during the 1950's. It is possible >that >>some of the Lockheed Lodestar aircraft were used for "questionable" duties >>(smuggling etc). Do you know anyone who is an enthusiast or who has access >>to a data base of aircraft registrations who can help us with the fates of >>the aircraft that I have listed below. ZS is the South African register >>followed by the aircraft constructors number and then followed by the >>information that we have for that aircraft. We need to know what happened >to >>these aircraft after they left SAA, who, what, where, when etc Some went to >>Interstate Airlines. Is that the correct name (Interstate Airlines or >>Interstate Aircraft Company) Do you know how to find the original >>owners/operators or anyone who worked for Interstate or Indamer who could >>help us with >>our project of tracing the fates of the ex South African Airways Lodestars >>operated by Interstate Airlines and or Indamer? >>Also if anyone has photographs of the SAA Lodestars and 749A Constellations >>during manufacture or delivery etc. >>I would be most grateful if you can help us >>Thanks a ton >>Cheers >>John >>Please visit www.saamuseum.co.za >> >>Lockheed Lodestar >> >>ZS-ASO c/n 2029 to N65C >>ZS-ASP c/n 2030 to N667 Interstate then Peru OB-F557 >>ZS-ASU c/n 2035 to N6064 then N102V >>ZS-ASX c/n 2038 to N94550 Indamer >>ZS-ASY c/n 2044 to N669 Interstate Last known owner William C Dause >>ZS-ATA c/n 2046 to N670 Interstate then Peru OB-F-558 >>ZS-ATB c/n 2047 to N94547 then N56M Aero American Corporation >>ZS-ATI c/n 2055 to N671 Interstate >>ZS-AVS c/n 2069 to N672 Interstate >>ZS-AVT c/n 2137 to N673 Interstate >> >> >> >> >> >John: > >I'll forward this to the Skunk Works Mailing list and ask that anyone >that can help please contact you directly. I personally can't give you >the information you need, but I think its a good possibility that >someone on the list can. > >George > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 >Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX >http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 > >Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Waukesha, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V9 #74 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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