From: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com (skunk-works-digest) To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V9 #82 Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Sender: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Errors-To: owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Precedence: bulk skunk-works-digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 09 : Number 082 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Thursday Morning Boomers Another OOPS Re: Another OOPS Re: RSRA NRO, airbreathers Re: NRO, airbreathers Re: NRO, airbreathers Simulated attack by SU-24's on Kitty-Hawk New U-2 Report Photos of damage to kursk New Chat room/IRC Server News BLUE ANGELS, THUNDERBIRDS SET 2001 picture of SR71 on carrier deck RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Air Force article Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:01:32 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson Subject: Thursday Morning Boomers Dan: Interesting you should say that. My company flew me out to the Anaheim and later San Jose area a few years ago for a trade show. I woke up thursday morning, early, like four or five in the morning and just sat in bed wondering if I'd drop back to sleep or not when maybe 30-45 mins. later I heard the weirdest damn sounds coming from the sky. I ran to the window and could hear whatever it was better but couldn't really see anything. Best description would be sort of a weird blown bottle sound but really deep and there was a pronounced doppler shift as whatever it was passed. Didn't last long, and in fact I wasn't even sure what it was until I put two and two together. At first I thought maybe an aircraft was malfunctioning but who knows. Maybe someday we'll know whatever it was I heard. Never heard anything like it before or since and we get all kinds of interesting planes up here in frozen Mpls, C5's, Hercules, among others. We even have an A-12 out at the Air Guard museum (it just sits there of course, static display). Is your website back up yet or is it still down? - -Todd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:54:37 -0500 From: John Szalay Subject: Another OOPS Appears another oops is in order.. May be old news to some.. MSNBC reports Stealth secrets possibly stolen. http://www.msnbc.com/local/PISEA/5228.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:10:26 -0600 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: Re: Another OOPS John Szalay observed, > Appears another oops is in order.. May be old news to some.. > MSNBC reports Stealth secrets possibly stolen. > http://www.msnbc.com/local/PISEA/5228.asp Yes, but I just located this in a Q&A session with DOD spokesman Kenneth Bacon, available at http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2000/11/dod103100.html , FWIW: Q: Speaking of classified information, it was reported in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that low-observable radar stealth technology has been transferred to the Russians. Is the Pentagon aware of that? Any kind of investigation going on that they have a hand in? Bacon: I am not aware of that, but I'll check into it. I don't know what I can tell you once I check into it, but I'll check into it. [The Department is aware of this matter. It was a joint investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Air Force's Office of Special Investigations. No data obtained in this case indicates that information provided to anyone outside of allowable channels was classified, nor does any data in this case indicate that passed information represents a degradation of the U.S. lead in the area of stealth technology. The Russian Academy of Sciences did have access to and use of U.S. supercomputers for the purpose of running computations using a modeling code that the Russians developed, but at no time did the Russians have access to classified information within the supercomputers. It's important to note that the Russians' use of the supercomputers was not unlawful, as current U.S. laws only cover the export of supercomputer hardware, not the use of the supercomputers themselves. There is no indication in this case that the Russians' use of the supercomputers was detrimental to either the U.S. Air Force or the U.S. government. The case opened in 1997 and closed in 1999.] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 21:17:19 +0000 From: Art Hanley Subject: Re: RSRA Regarding the SH-2, I'll stand (or sit) corrected. I don't have a lot of my notes form 20 years ago, so I may be recollecting wrong. REgarding RSRA, it would have produced valuable data--just weren't enough customers. David Lednicer wrote: > The SH-2 with the CCR actually did transition to forward flight, > but they couldn't go faster than 60 or 80 knots (I can't remember which), > no matter what they did. Tom Sheehy was my boss then at Sikorsky. He > divided the speed by the program cost and figured that was the answer to > the question "What price speed?". > > The beauty of the RSRA was the main and tail rotor balance system... > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:04:17 -0600 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: NRO, airbreathers There's a new "whither the NRO" study commission report out http://www.nrocommission.com/exec_sum.htm ) that contains an intellibite of possible Skunkish significance: "Until the early 1990's, the NRO also developed high altitude airborne reconnaissance systems, such as the SR-71 aircraft." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:54:51 -0600 From: "Albert H. Dobyns" Subject: Re: NRO, airbreathers Allen Thomson wrote: > > There's a new "whither the NRO" study commission report out > http://www.nrocommission.com/exec_sum.htm ) that contains an intellibite of > possible Skunkish significance: > > "Until the early 1990's, the NRO also developed high altitude airborne > reconnaissance systems, such as the SR-71 aircraft." How does the NRO justify that statement? I'm sure they got to use a lot of data collected by the SR-71 but I don't see how that relates to "developing the SR-71". When was the NRO officially established? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:49:08 -0600 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: Re: NRO, airbreathers Albert H. Dobyns asked, > > > > "Until the early 1990's, the NRO also developed high altitude airborne > > reconnaissance systems, such as the SR-71 aircraft." > > How does the NRO justify that statement? I'm sure they > got to use a lot of data collected by the SR-71 but I > don't see how that relates to "developing the SR-71". > When was the NRO officially established? NRO was formally created on September 6, 1961. It incorporated components of the CIA that were responsible for the A-12/"SR-71", so I suppose the statement isn't all that inaccurate. BTW, if by "data" you meant intelligence information, the NRO isn't a user of intelligence, except indirectly. It designs, builds, and often operates collection systems for the primary users such as the military intelligence agencies and the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:07:08 -0800 From: "T.Toth" Subject: Simulated attack by SU-24's on Kitty-Hawk Have you heard of the latest, 'peacefull confrontation' between Russian and American Forces. It seems rather odd that a pilot who could potentially provoke an international incident would be decorated unless he had previous agreement from higher up levels. Russia Says Planes Got Sneak Views of U.S. Carrier http://russiatoday.com/news.php3?id=220856 Anyone has more on this? Apparently they also claim that these where on an 'attack profile and that, if it had been war, the Kitty hawk would have been sunk. I assume radars on the Kitty-Hawk were shut down because of the refueling (risks of igniting fuel), but what of her escorts? The Russians seem pretty careless about provoking incidents. Reminds me of the TU-95 Bear 'attack' of a few months back. and the shooting of a laser by a Russian spy ship at a Canadian forces aircraft in 94-95. Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:50:08 -0600 From: "Robert S. Hopkins, III" Subject: New U-2 Report Skunk Works lurkers may be interested to read the recent report on the U-2, Global Hawk, and related intel issues. You can find it at the FAS web site with this URL: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/index.html It is brand new (6 Nov) and even addresses a revival of the SR-71 (read it and find out). I was intrigued to note that none of the public domain references cited by the authors included the work by Chris Pocock. The document is in PDF format, so you'll need Acrobat Reader or comparable software. ********************************* Robert S. Hopkins, III, Ph.D. Aerospace Historian and Consultant 411 Swan Circle, #2905 Oak Creek, WI 53154, USA +(414) 764-0223 (facsimile only) history@shemya.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:03:18 -0800 From: "T.Toth" Subject: Photos of damage to kursk For those interested several photos of damage to Kursk can be found here: http://www.kurskfoundation.org/photo/photo.html I wonder if these are clear enough to show if damage is due to explosion from within or impact from outside object. Of course, then proponents of the "impact with western submarine" theory, would just say such damage is due to secondary explosions after impact... Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:59:46 -0600 From: George R. Kasica Subject: New Chat room/IRC Server News Just been about 2 years since I posted something like this....LOL Well, FINALLY got an IRC server up and running here with several channels on it (yes we can add more) just ask. To log into in and poke about go to: For IRC here are the settings: Server address: irc.netwrx1.net Port: 6667 It is a standard IRC server no web access at this time though that may occur if there is enough interest/need. I've used mIRC and also the old command line irc tool with good success. What I need are a few people that might like to watch it at different times and keep the kiddies from messing around. Any takers? Any questions just yell. George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 513 8503 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Waukesha, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:12:25 From: "wayne binkley" Subject: BLUE ANGELS, THUNDERBIRDS SET 2001 No. 726-00(703)695-0192(media)IMMEDIATE RELEASEDecember 6, 2000 (703)697-5737(public/industry) BLUE ANGELS, THUNDERBIRDS SET 2001 AIR SHOW SCHEDULES The "Blue Angels" Navy flight demonstration squadron and the "Thunderbirds" Air Force air demonstration squadron have announced their 2001 show season schedules. The Blue Angels will begin their season on March 10, 2001, at NavalAir Facility, El Centro, Calif., and will finish on Nov. 10, 2001, at NavalAir Station, Pensacola, Fla. The Blue Angels have scheduled 66 shows at 34 locations in the United States and Canada during the 2001 season. The "Thunderbirds" are set to begin their season March 24 at Patrick AirForce Base, Fla. The team will perform more than 60 shows in 29 states andwill visit the Pacific for the first time since 1994. The Navy flight demonstration squadron is a Chief of Naval AirTraining unit composed of Navy and Marine Corps representatives including tenpilots (six are demonstration pilots), six support officers, four civilians and about 100 enlisted personnel performing in more than 16 Navyspecialties. The team's home base is Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Fla. The AirForce air demonstration squadron is an Air Combat Command unit composed ofeight pilots (including six demonstration pilots), four support officers, four civilians and about 120 enlisted airmen performing in more than 25 AirForce specialties. They are based at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. Each team's aerial demonstration is a mix of formation flying andsolo routines. The pilots perform approximately 30 maneuvers in ademonstration. The entire show, including ground and air, runs about one hour and 15minutes. Demonstration sites are selected to support the objectives of the Defense Department and the interest of the armed Services with safety asthe primary consideration. Performances greatly assist the recruiting and retention goals of the military Services, enhance esprit de corps among uniformed men and women, and demonstrate the professional skills and capabilities of the armed forces to the American public and U.S. allies. Show schedules are available on line for the Blue Angels at http://www.bluean gels.navy.mil/2001ShowSchedule.htm and for the Thunderbirds at http://www.nellis. af.mil/thunderbirds/schedule.htm. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:51:25 -0500 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: picture of SR71 on carrier deck This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06087.B1EB2CC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I recently received an advertisement that has an SR-71 tied down to the deck of a carrier.... its supposed to look like its ready to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the cat' , I would doubt that would happen!!! Question: Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or landed on a carrier? I can't imagine that happening, but...... Greg W ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has the SR? I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06087.B1EB2CC8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable picture of SR71 on carrier deck

I recently received an advertisement that has an = SR-71 tied down to the deck of a carrier....  its supposed to look = like its ready to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the = cat' ,  I would doubt that would happen!!!  = <grin>

Question:  Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or = landed on a carrier?   I can't imagine that happening, = but......

Greg W

ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has = the SR?  I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested.

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06087.B1EB2CC8-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:10:19 -0500 From: "Morris, Andrew" Subject: RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck It is probably the A-12 on the deck of the Intrepid Air & Space museum in Manhattan, NYC I wouldn't want to be a deck crew member for a carrier landing or launch. Cheers, Andy Morris - -----Original Message----- From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:51 PM To: 'skunk-works@netwrx1.com' Subject: picture of SR71 on carrier deck I recently received an advertisement that has an SR-71 tied down to the deck of a carrier.... its supposed to look like its ready to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the cat' , I would doubt that would happen!!! Question: Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or landed on a carrier? I can't imagine that happening, but...... Greg W ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has the SR? I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:16:46 -0500 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0608B.3C45C07E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The background looks like the NJ side of the Hudson (beautiful Hoboken! ), but I couldn't be sure..... It looks like there's an A-6 or maybe an A-10 back behind it.... can't really be sure, can only see the first 2-3 feet of the nose.... The Intrepid would make sense, this doesn't look like the current carrier decks... I wouldn't want to be on the deck either!!! Greg - -----Original Message----- From: Morris, Andrew [mailto:morris@admissions.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 03:10 PM To: 'skunk-works@netwrx1.com' Subject: RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck It is probably the A-12 on the deck of the Intrepid Air & Space museum in Manhattan, NYC I wouldn't want to be a deck crew member for a carrier landing or launch. Cheers, Andy Morris - -----Original Message----- From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:51 PM To: 'skunk-works@netwrx1.com' Subject: picture of SR71 on carrier deck I recently received an advertisement that has an SR-71 tied down to the deck of a carrier.... its supposed to look like its ready to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the cat' , I would doubt that would happen!!! Question: Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or landed on a carrier? I can't imagine that happening, but...... Greg W ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has the SR? I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0608B.3C45C07E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck

The background looks like the NJ side of the Hudson = (beautiful Hoboken! <grin>), but I couldn't be sure.....  It = looks like there's an A-6 or maybe an A-10 back behind it.... can't = really be sure, can only see the first 2-3 feet of the = nose....

The Intrepid would make sense, this doesn't look like = the current carrier decks...

I wouldn't want to be on the deck either!!!

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Morris, Andrew [mailto:morris@admissions.b= uffalo.edu]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 03:10 PM
To: 'skunk-works@netwrx1.com'
Subject: RE: picture of SR71 on carrier deck


It is probably the A-12 on the deck of the Intrepid = Air & Space museum in
Manhattan, NYC
 
I wouldn't want to be a deck crew member for a = carrier landing or launch.
 
Cheers,
 
Andy Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:51 PM
To: 'skunk-works@netwrx1.com'
Subject: picture of SR71 on carrier deck



I recently received an advertisement that has an = SR-71 tied down to the deck
of a carrier....  its supposed to look like its = ready to take off, but since
its tied to the deck, and not the cat' ,  I = would doubt that would happen!!!
<grin>

Question:  Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or = landed on a carrier?   I
can't imagine that happening, but......

Greg W

ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has = the SR?  I'll scan it
and post if anyone's interested.


- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0608B.3C45C07E-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 100 15:28:40 EST From: keller@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck Andy Morris wrote: >It is probably the A-12 on the deck of the Intrepid Air & Space museum in >Manhattan, NYC > >I wouldn't want to be a deck crew member for a carrier landing or launch. If this is the ad that a well-known computer maker has been running in a number of publications of late (I've seen it several times as a full page in the Wall Street Journal), I can confirm that, having been to the Intrepid Air & Space Museum myself last summer, that that is, indeed, the A-12 on the deck of the Intrepid. The fact that this is what it is isn't even all that well covered up, since a few of the other aircraft on the deck of Intrepid are just barely visible in the background of the ad picture I saw in the WSJ. What looks like a bridle for a cat launch on the nosewheel is really just the nosewheel tiedown chain that the museum has for securing the aircraft on the deck. FWW, the A-12 got there by being hosted up there by a crane. - --Paul K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:36:58 -0500 From: John Szalay Subject: Air Force article 001801. Whiteman work to go skin deep WHITEMAN AFB, Mo. (AFPN) -- Ground was broken Nov. 29 for a new facility that will let B-2 Spirit maintainers restore the aircraft's stealthy skin here -- work that now must be done by contractors in California. "Construction of this low-observable restoration facility ensures the combat capability and lethality of the B-2 stealth bomber," said Lt. Col. Don Sparks, deputy commander of the 509th Logistics Group, here. The 53,000-square-foot building will have two bays to accommodate two B-2s simultaneously. Restoring the aircraft's stealth coating involves up to 15 people who prepare the surface by stripping and sanding it, then apply repair materials. The repaired areas are completely cleaned and painted to complete the process. The building will have significant environmental controls to filter the air of paint and sanding byproducts, Whiteman officials said. The building's construction is scheduled for completion in November 2002. (Courtesy of Air Combat Command News Service) http://www.af.mil/news/n20001206_1801.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:47:29 -0600 From: "Albert H. Dobyns" Subject: Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck > "Weigold, Greg" wrote: > > I recently received an advertisement that has an SR-71 tied down > to the deck of a carrier.... its supposed to look like its ready > to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the cat' , I > would doubt that would happen!!! > > Question: Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or landed on a > carrier? I can't imagine that happening, but...... > > Greg W > > ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has the SR? > I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested. You may have received some info on the SR-71 tied down on an aircraft carried. It's really an A-12 (funded and operated by the CIA before the SR-71 replaced it). I can't think of any reasonable way to launch an SR-71 from an aircraft carrier. It would probably require the biggest of catapults ever made. And landing one on an aircraft carrier would be even more impossible. The U-2s could do it with suitable modifications but that's a whole different bird. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck > > "Weigold, Greg" wrote: > > > > I recently received an advertisement that has an SR-71 tied down > > to the deck of a carrier.... its supposed to look like its ready > > to take off, but since its tied to the deck, and not the cat' , I > > would doubt that would happen!!! > > > > Question: Has an SR-71 ever taken off from or landed on a > > carrier? I can't imagine that happening, but...... > > > > Greg W > > > > ps: Anyone want to see the portion of the ad that has the SR? > > I'll scan it and post if anyone's interested. > > You may have received some info on the SR-71 tied down on > an aircraft carried. It's really an A-12 (funded and operated > by the CIA before the SR-71 replaced it). I can't think of > any reasonable way to launch an SR-71 from an aircraft carrier. > It would probably require the biggest of catapults ever made. > And landing one on an aircraft carrier would be even more > impossible. The U-2s could do it with suitable modifications > but that's a whole different bird. > It MIGHT be possible to launch an SR-71 or an A-12 from an aircraft carrier, however I agree that recovery would most likely be extremely difficult if not impossible even with a barricade. I believe modifications to the landing gear would be required so that it could be attached to the catapult, no such modifications are immediately apparent. Even though, it might be theoretically possible to launch from a carrier I believe the Air Force and or CIA would probably have no reason to do this. I'm confident however that we could launch a C-17 from a carrier if we really wanted to. Sam CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC http://www.darkent.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:21:38 EST From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck In a message dated 09/12/00 05:47:48 GMT Standard Time, ahdobyns@worldnet.att.net writes: << You may have received some info on the SR-71 tied down on an aircraft carrier. >> Greetings! I'm sorry if I've missed some recent postings, I seem to have 'dropped off' the list for a while! There's an SR-71/A-12 type on the Carrier 'Museum' in New York... (USS Independance is it?) Maybe the picture in question was that one? - ----------------------------------------- Regards, Bill Turner, 'Admin'. Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. AIM:Secretjet2 ICQ: 29271956 http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Black-Triangle NEW Homepage! Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kaltsidis Subject: Re: picture of SR71 on carrier deck > In a message dated 09/12/00 05:47:48 GMT Standard Time, > ahdobyns@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << You may have received some info on the SR-71 tied > down on an aircraft carrier. >> > > Greetings! > I'm sorry if I've missed some recent postings, > I seem to have 'dropped off' the list for a while! > > There's an SR-71/A-12 type on the Carrier 'Museum' in > New York... (USS Independance is it?) > Maybe the picture in question was that one? > ----------------------------------------- > Regards, > Bill Turner, 'Admin'. > Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. > Near London Heathrow, UK. > AIM:Secretjet2 ICQ: 29271956 > http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/index.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Black-Triangle NEW > Homepage! > > Black-Triangle Links > > That's precisely the one we are talking about. I think someone asked whether the SR-71 or the A-12 had ever been used on a carrier (I do not believe that was ever done, but it is theoretically possible as I indicated in my last email to the list). Sam CIO - Dark Entertainment LLC http://www.darkent.com ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V9 #82 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe in the body. Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent to georgek@netwrx1.com. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" in the commands above with "skunk-works". 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