From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Wed Aug 1 15:19:02 2001 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:01:21 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V10 #29 skunk-works-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 10 : Number 029 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** RE: SR Manual on-line from the spanish Re: skunk-works-digest V10 #28 A-12 Pilot Re: SR Manual on-line Req: F-117 Photos/info? F-117 Photos/info? F-117 Photos/info? RIAT Revealed RE: F-117 Photos/info? RIAT? RE: F-117 Photos/info? Req: Pico Rivera B-2 info? Re: Pico Rivera B-2 info? Re: SR Manual on-line *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:49:12 -0400 From: "Greg Meland" Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line George, I tried, but I get a "permission denied" message. Let me know if I need to try something else. Greg - -----Original Message----- From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:54 PM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line Send it to ftp.netwrx1.com=20 and place it in the pub/incoming directory. George >Better yet, if George can provide me with an ftp address, I can upload >it to his server for those with broadband access. And the option is >still open for those that want it on a CD. > >Greg M > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Meland=20 >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:00 PM >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line > > >I can do that with an address. >=20 >Greg M > >-----Original Message----- >From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com] >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:58 AM >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line > > > > Greg,=20 >Why don't you burn that file onto the CD and then send it to George... >That way folks who have broadband connections can get it from there and >those with dialup can get it from you.... > > Thoughts gang?=20 > > Greg W=20 > > > > > > > Greg Meland @meland.net>=20 > > > 07/27/2001 11:49=20 >Please respond to skunk-works=20 > =20 > > To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com@SMTP@BlytheExchange=20 > cc: =20 > Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line =20 > > > I'm rather new to the list, but I've downloaded the SR-71 Flight >Manual=20 >entirely and put it in a *.pdf file. I would be happy to put it on a CD > >and mail it to those individuals interested if I could get reimbursed=20 >for the CDs and postage. Let me know either on the list or privately.=20 > =20 >Greg Meland=20 >greg@meland.net=20 > > -----Original Message-----=20 >From: Weigold, Greg [ mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com > ]=20 >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:15 AM=20 >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com=20 >Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line=20 > > > > That would be cool... I have a free/shareware >downloader called=20 >GetRight, it will restart and do all kinds of stuff, but you have to pay > >for it if you want the filtering functions that will let it go against a > >site and download all *.pdf or *.doc files or whatever... I'd pay for >it, but in 3 years of using it this is the first time I ever wanted to=20 >do this and I'm not sure I'd ever want the extra functionality again... > > Greg W=20 > > > > I've got a smart downloader (downloaded from the Web a >year or=20 >two ago)=20 >that will restart if it gets stopped in a long document, but I don't=20 >know if it will work for a lot of documents instead of just one.=20 > > Might this fit on a 100MB Zip disk? If so, maybe we >could break=20 >up the=20 >task and have a round robin of Zip disk copying.=20 > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D[George R. Kasica]=3D=3D=3D +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX=20 http://www.netwrx1.com Jackson, WI USA=20 georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:58:41 From: "wayne binkley" Subject: from the spanish while looking for something about hercs on www.google.com i found this article in spanish and google translated (by computer) it into english.maybe it's just me but i find it funny! wayne d.binkley HISTORY When in 1954 volo the first prototype of C-130 like YC-130 encontro that cumplia with all the benefits to be itself the adapted transport of load and troops that was needing the Transport control the USAF. The specified basicos requirements in February of 1951 by the USAF were: a transport for the Air command Tactico, able to operate from tracks without paving, and being able to take 11340 kg of load, 92 soldiers or 64 parachutists totally equipped. First prototype YC-130 salio of makes of Burbank the 23 of August of 1954 like YC-130, counted on a low ground, to the height of the platform of a truck; a train of aterizaje adapted to the irregular tracks; pressurized cabin; integrated depositos of great capacity to extend its reach; perfect visibility for the crew; motors to turbohelice and a system STOL (takeoff and undershoot). When beginning the serial production, the back fuselage and the tail were redesigned, occurred to the drift a form but square, I am placed radar APS-59 in radomo in the nose that I modify the aspect of the apparatus. Ademas reforzo the double wheel the undercarriage and mounted eight motors SHORT WHILE (assisted take-off by rockets) and T56-9 motors of greater push. Within the excellent characteristics but of the C-130 I equip myself to him with an inferior incline, for load access from the floor; the two back doors are hidraulicas so that they are possible even to be opened in flight; its platform of load measures 3,05x2,74 m and 12.62 of length; the floor of the constructed warehouse this on the basis of mechanized panels, their basica structure this constructed in aluminum of high resistance and some titanium pieces. In 1957 the Lockheed beginning the introduction of a series of modifications to modernize and to adapt the C-130 to the great amount of assignments that went away visualizing for this versatil airplane, in the C-130b increase the weight and I install I deposit of fuel in the central section able to store 6740 liters, motor T 56-7 and helice four-blade Standard Hamilton, the USAF adquirio 132 units of this model, whereas other 96 were destined to the U.s. Navy, USMC and Coastguard service, other 29 airplanes were sold to Sudafrica, Canada, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, Colombia and Jordania.Se design a extreme version NC-130b STOL, with two motors T-56 (without helice) placed in logs subeave, that at low speed dirigian compressed air towards the great flaps and the rudder. AC-130 HERCULES During the war of Vietman the USAF empezo to experience with airplanes denominated cannoneers, destined to support to the ground forceses by means of airplanes able to attack during long periods of time, equipped with great autonomia and to concentrate a great firepower on columns of infanteria, convoys of transport, etc. One of the selected airplanes to experience this new type of support was the C-130 in denomination AC-130. TYPE Cannoneer with multi-sensor for ground attack MOTOR Four turbohelices Allison T-56-a7 of 4050 HP MAXIMUM SPEED 612 km/h STRONG SPEED OF 558 m/min AUTONOMIA 3685 km WEIGHT 33064 maximum kg/79389 kg ARMAMENT Two 40mm/dos tubes of machine guns multi-barrel 20mm/cuatro Minigun of 7,62mm COMPARATIVE OF BENEFITS MAXIMUM WEIGHT AND SIZE kg CEILING On watch m Naked SPEED To LOW HEIGHT REACH WITH MAXIMUM WEIGHT AND SIZE km TAKE-off RUN At the LEVEL Of SEA m An-124 Condor 150000 9843 432 5000 2440 C-5a Galaxy 118388 10725 460 5526 2530 C-141b 41222 11400 432 4725 1788 Transall C-160 16000 8100 310 1853 715 C-130 Hercules 19356 9900 325 3791 1090 In August of 1961 I give greater version C-130e with autonomia, launchable depositos, improved avionica, the Air transport command Tactico adquirio 130 units and 245 were for tactico the Areo Control. It completes military variant was the C-130h with motor powerful T 56 but of 4508 HP, of this several versions were constructed as the HC-130h of the Service of Recovery and Aerospace Rescue of the USAF, equipped with the Fulton system for recovery of satellite to the entrance of the atmosfera, tracking radars careened Cook Electric under the fuselage; the equipped armed HC-130h with tubes of 105mm; HC-130p multipurpose airplane and of rescue, provided with soundings for flight refueling with sounding specially to the helicopteros Sikorsky HH-3 and HH-53. At the end of 1981 Lockheed produced the civil version L-100-50 of great capacity, with a weight of 74842 kg and the L-400 Twin Hercules, with structure but it narrows and two motors. VERSIONS To the date 31 versions known for the original C-130 exist, some of the main ones are: GC-130a: airplane director of targets who sends to vehiculos RPV (drone) from four supports subeave, control systems and control for the direction of the RPV. RC-130a: used by the Service of Photo and It maps Aerial of the USAF. JC-130a: destined to the pursuit of missiles and satellite. C-130d ARTIC: equipped with skis destined to support to the stations of the System of Early Fin against intercontinental balisticos missiles, in the zone of the Arctic. AC-130a: cannoneer, developed during the war of Vietnam to give to support to the earth forces, armed with four Gatling tubes of 20mm and four machine guns of 7,62mm, systems of nocturnal detection and aids to navigation. KC-130f: airplanes for aerial resupply, with depositos GV-1 in the fuselage and a hose in each end eave. C-130h: updated avionica, improved and reinforced wing, four turbohelices T-56a-15 of 4910 HP. KC-130r: cistern of the U.s. Marine Corps, based on the C-130h, fuel in depositos subeave and one in the fuselage, four turbohelices of 4500 HP. beginning _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:43:22 -0400 From: "J Bjaloncik" Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V10 #28 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "skunk-works-digest" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: skunk-works-digest V10 #28 > > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:23:55 -0700 > From: "Jon Price (PJ)" > Subject: U-2 over Iraq > > > It appears that Iraq almost succeded in downing a U-2 over the no-fly zone a > couple of days ago. Now, the U.S. says that they will not directly overfly > these areas any longer, but will gather the information they want by flying > around the edges of the areas of interest. Might work good for elint, but > what about optical intel? Looks like a job for the obsolete 40 year old SR. > "But we can doo the same job with satellites." Then why are they overflying > the area with manned aircraft in the first place? > > PJ Hi PJ - To answer your question, 'cause the same idiots that put the Blackbird out to pasture and felt they could rely on satellites are still running the show, but they've found that they still need manned aircraft and have had to save face in some way. No slap intended at the U-2, but geeez guys! Ahh, the same lame thinking continues to go on at that 5-sided building on the East Coast. Thank God the Reds were even dumber than we were and fell apart first! Best regards, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:42:59 +0000 From: dwalizer@pacbell.net Subject: A-12 Pilot Here is an interesting article from a Reno, Nevada newspaper about a retired A-12 Pilot - Oxcart program. http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/news/996968539.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:58:29 -0500 From: George R. Kasica Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line Hmmm...thats a good question....I thought it was working...I'll have to look at it and see what's up. George >George, >I tried, but I get a "permission denied" message. Let me know if I need >to try something else. > >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com] >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:54 PM >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line > > >Send it to > >ftp.netwrx1.com > >and place it in the pub/incoming directory. > >George > >>Better yet, if George can provide me with an ftp address, I can upload >>it to his server for those with broadband access. And the option is >>still open for those that want it on a CD. >> >>Greg M >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg Meland >>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:00 PM >>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >> >> >>I can do that with an address. >> >>Greg M >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com] >>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:58 AM >>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >> >> >> >> Greg, >>Why don't you burn that file onto the CD and then send it to George... >>That way folks who have broadband connections can get it from there and >>those with dialup can get it from you.... >> >> Thoughts gang? >> >> Greg W >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Greg Meland >@meland.net> >> >> >> 07/27/2001 11:49 >>Please respond to skunk-works >> >> >> To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com@SMTP@BlytheExchange >> cc: >> Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >> >> >> I'm rather new to the list, but I've downloaded the SR-71 Flight >>Manual >>entirely and put it in a *.pdf file. I would be happy to put it on a >CD >> >>and mail it to those individuals interested if I could get reimbursed >>for the CDs and postage. Let me know either on the list or privately. >> >>Greg Meland >>greg@meland.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >>From: Weigold, Greg [ mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com >> ] >>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:15 AM >>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line >> >> >> >> That would be cool... I have a free/shareware >>downloader called >>GetRight, it will restart and do all kinds of stuff, but you have to >pay >> >>for it if you want the filtering functions that will let it go against >a >> >>site and download all *.pdf or *.doc files or whatever... I'd pay for > >>it, but in 3 years of using it this is the first time I ever wanted to >>do this and I'm not sure I'd ever want the extra functionality again... > >> >> Greg W >> >> >> >> I've got a smart downloader (downloaded from the Web a >>year or >>two ago) >>that will restart if it gets stopped in a long document, but I don't >>know if it will work for a lot of documents instead of just one. >> >> Might this fit on a 100MB Zip disk? If so, maybe we >>could break >>up the >>task and have a round robin of Zip disk copying. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 >Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX >http://www.netwrx1.com Jackson, WI USA >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 > >Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > tm > / \ > / \ > _/ ___ \_ > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > www.habu.org > The OnLine Blackbird Museum > > ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:07:43 EDT From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: Req: F-117 Photos/info? Greetings! At the RIAT 2001 last weekend, severe paranoia from the USAF/DoD was demonstrated over the 'rear' of the F-117... They requested "that NO photos be taken of the rear of the F-117"!!! After similar 'troubles' with the B-2 when it landed in the UK, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHY they were SO worried about rear-end photos - what might be revealed if detailed pictures were taken... Obviously the exhaust-heat 'diffusers' are of technical interest, - but I'd have thought they were hardly 'Top Secret' anymore?! Any theories/photos please?! MTIA - --------- Regards, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:31:36 -0400 From: "Morris, Andrew" Subject: F-117 Photos/info? That sounds bizarre! I was at Thunder Over Niagara the air show hosted by the AFRES base at Niagara Falls, New York. An F-177 was parked in the hanger where all the local groups have tables of information. It was roped off keeping people maybe 25 feet from the a/c. Photos of any portion of the a/c were up for grabs, any sized camera/lens. If anyone wanted to shoot the rear they were free to, there was no signage or warnings from the armed guards. Even closer inspection has been done in past years when it was outside on the ramp. Andy Morris - -----Original Message----- From: SecretJet@aol.com [mailto:SecretJet@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:08 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Req: F-117 Photos/info? Greetings! At the RIAT 2001 last weekend, severe paranoia from the USAF/DoD was demonstrated over the 'rear' of the F-117... They requested "that NO photos be taken of the rear of the F-117"!!! After similar 'troubles' with the B-2 when it landed in the UK, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHY they were SO worried about rear-end photos - what might be revealed if detailed pictures were taken... Obviously the exhaust-heat 'diffusers' are of technical interest, - but I'd have thought they were hardly 'Top Secret' anymore?! Any theories/photos please?! MTIA - --------- Regards, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:32:51 -0400 From: "Morris, Andrew" Subject: F-117 Photos/info? Sorry, what exactly is RIAT 2001? Or where is it? Thanks, Andy Morris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:36:17 -0400 From: "Morris, Andrew" Subject: RIAT Revealed http://www.airtattoo.com/ Aren't search engines great, everyone should use one before they post a question! Including me! Andy Morris PS I meant to say F-117 not 177 in my first post. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:12:49 -0700 From: "T. Toth" Subject: RE: F-117 Photos/info? Would towed decoys make any sense? Unless it's a turreted machine gun for self defence, after all it has been done before :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com]On Behalf Of SecretJet@aol.com Sent: July 31, 2001 6:08 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Req: F-117 Photos/info? Greetings! At the RIAT 2001 last weekend, severe paranoia from the USAF/DoD was demonstrated over the 'rear' of the F-117... They requested "that NO photos be taken of the rear of the F-117"!!! After similar 'troubles' with the B-2 when it landed in the UK, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHY they were SO worried about rear-end photos - what might be revealed if detailed pictures were taken... Obviously the exhaust-heat 'diffusers' are of technical interest, - but I'd have thought they were hardly 'Top Secret' anymore?! Any theories/photos please?! MTIA - --------- Regards, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:24:18 EDT From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: RIAT? In a message dated 31/07/01 15:33:23 GMT Daylight Time, morris@admissions.buffalo.edu writes: << Sorry, what exactly is RIAT 2001? Or where is it? >> It was the Royal International Air Tattoo, Europes' biggest Military Airshow, 30 years of superb displays! Usually held at RAF Fairford, (Glocestershire), it moved to RAF Cottesmore (Rutland) for 2000 & '01 as Fairford was being upgraded... 2002 should see RIAT return to Fairford, bigger & even better! Please check their website: http://www.rafbfe.co.uk/airtattoo/index.html Welcome to www.airtattoo.com Cheers, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:21 +0100 (BST) From: mrousell@teracom.cix.co.uk (Mark Rousell) Subject: RE: F-117 Photos/info? > Would towed decoys make any sense? That figures. When the B-1B was used over Bosnia(?), photography of the rear of the aircraft was banned because of the newly fitted towed decoy dispenser. This info comes from a recent aircraft magazine. I'll try and dig it out. MarkR - -------- Original Message -------- From: "T. Toth" To: Subject: RE: F-117 Photos/info? Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:12:49 -0700 Message-ID: Would towed decoys make any sense? Unless it's a turreted machine gun for self defence, after all it has been done before :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com]On Behalf Of SecretJet@aol.com Sent: July 31, 2001 6:08 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Req: F-117 Photos/info? Greetings! At the RIAT 2001 last weekend, severe paranoia from the USAF/DoD was demonstrated over the 'rear' of the F-117... They requested "that NO photos be taken of the rear of the F-117"!!! After similar 'troubles' with the B-2 when it landed in the UK, I was wondering if anyone knew just WHY they were SO worried about rear-end photos - what might be revealed if detailed pictures were taken... Obviously the exhaust-heat 'diffusers' are of technical interest, - but I'd have thought they were hardly 'Top Secret' anymore?! Any theories/photos please?! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:01:58 EDT From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: Req: Pico Rivera B-2 info? Greetings! I picked up a patch at a recent airshow, it says "Pico Rivera - Birthplace of The B-2"... The design on the patch shows a 'pterodactyl type' winged prehistoric flying dinosaur with it's shadow in the shape of a B-2 Spirit! In the background is a large office-block type building, (low & long rather than a high 'tower-block'). My search brought up the Pico Rivera city website, - but no aerospace links of any kind... Another site mentions Northrop Grumman, but no details. As I don't (yet) have a B-2 book to hand, would any Skunk-Workers out there be able to tell me about the B-2 concept/design being founded at/in Pico Rivera? Is there a 'Skunk Works' type facilty/airfield there? - & does it have a title/name? MTIA - ---------- Regards, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- No Door is Closed - To an Open Mind! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:08:57 +0100 From: "David" Subject: Re: Pico Rivera B-2 info? > Greetings! > I picked up a patch at a recent airshow, > it says "Pico Rivera - Birthplace of The B-2"... > The design on the patch shows a 'pterodactyl type' winged > prehistoric flying dinosaur with it's shadow in the shape of a > B-2 Spirit! > In the background is a large office-block type building, > (low & long rather than a high 'tower-block'). > > My search brought up the Pico Rivera city website, > - but no aerospace links of any kind... > Another site mentions Northrop Grumman, but no details. The old Ford plant at Pico Rivera CA was bought by Northrop as a base for the B-2 project. They built the first full sacle engineering mock up there in the mid 80s. ('86 from memory.) I seem to recall it was said to be the largest secret industrial site in the US. Difficult to draw up a league table for such things, but it's a big plant anyway. Someone is supposed to have climbed onto the roof and written something obscene in Russian that was big enough for the Soviet spy sats to read. Hope this helps David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:00:55 -0500 From: George R. Kasica Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line Greg & All: OK...should be working for anonymous uploads via ftp to the incoming directory...helps to define the directory properties in the setup :) Please email me with the file names when done! George >Hmmm...thats a good question....I thought it was working...I'll have >to look at it and see what's up. > >George > > >>George, >>I tried, but I get a "permission denied" message. Let me know if I need >>to try something else. >> >>Greg >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: George R. Kasica [mailto:georgek@netwrx1.com] >>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:54 PM >>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line >> >> >>Send it to >> >>ftp.netwrx1.com >> >>and place it in the pub/incoming directory. >> >>George >> >>>Better yet, if George can provide me with an ftp address, I can upload >>>it to his server for those with broadband access. And the option is >>>still open for those that want it on a CD. >>> >>>Greg M >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Greg Meland >>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:00 PM >>>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>>Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >>> >>> >>>I can do that with an address. >>> >>>Greg M >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Weigold, Greg [mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com] >>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:58 AM >>>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>>Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >>> >>> >>> >>> Greg, >>>Why don't you burn that file onto the CD and then send it to George... >>>That way folks who have broadband connections can get it from there and >>>those with dialup can get it from you.... >>> >>> Thoughts gang? >>> >>> Greg W >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Greg Meland >>@meland.net> >>> >>> >>> 07/27/2001 11:49 >>>Please respond to skunk-works >>> >>> >>> To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com@SMTP@BlytheExchange >>> cc: >>> Subject: RE: SR Manual on-line >>> >>> >>> I'm rather new to the list, but I've downloaded the SR-71 Flight >>>Manual >>>entirely and put it in a *.pdf file. I would be happy to put it on a >>CD >>> >>>and mail it to those individuals interested if I could get reimbursed >>>for the CDs and postage. Let me know either on the list or privately. >>> >>>Greg Meland >>>greg@meland.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Weigold, Greg [ mailto:GregWeigold@mynd.com >>> ] >>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:15 AM >>>To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >>>Subject: Re: SR Manual on-line >>> >>> >>> >>> That would be cool... I have a free/shareware >>>downloader called >>>GetRight, it will restart and do all kinds of stuff, but you have to >>pay >>> >>>for it if you want the filtering functions that will let it go against >>a >>> >>>site and download all *.pdf or *.doc files or whatever... I'd pay for >> >>>it, but in 3 years of using it this is the first time I ever wanted to >>>do this and I'm not sure I'd ever want the extra functionality again... >> >>> >>> Greg W >>> >>> >>> >>> I've got a smart downloader (downloaded from the Web a >>>year or >>>two ago) >>>that will restart if it gets stopped in a long document, but I don't >>>know if it will work for a lot of documents instead of just one. >>> >>> Might this fit on a 100MB Zip disk? If so, maybe we >>>could break >>>up the >>>task and have a round robin of Zip disk copying. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>===[George R. 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