From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Tue May 14 18:56:03 2002 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:25:46 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V11 #3 skunk-works-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 11 : Number 003 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: SR-71 - Jpeg Photo - Apology! U-2 history Re: SR-71 - Jpeg Photo - Apology! Re: U-2 history Re: Groom Lake photo Re: SR-71 last flight - Jpeg Photo available Celebrating Kelly's Life Re: Celebrating Kelly's Life Re: Celebrating Kelly's Life SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) A mild critique of the NRO Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Re: James Goodall Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) 1995 U-2 Crash Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) ADMIN: System Downtime Friday May 3, 2002 video headsup NASA Select. Re: NASA Select. Re: NASA Select. RE: NASA Select. NASA Select. Re: NASA Select. Re: NASA Select. *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:52:06 EDT From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: Re: SR-71 - Jpeg Photo - Apology! In a message dated 12/04/02 18:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, haveblue@matrixpm.com writes: << Damn, I hit 'reply' not realized it would cc: the whole darn list... >> Me too - Sorry for the attachment to those of you not requesting it... Too early in the morning! - ------------------------------------ Best Regards, Bill Turner, B-T 'Admin'. http://www.secretjet.net Black-Triangle E-Group HQ. Near London Heathrow, UK. http://members.aol.com/BlackTriangles/index.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Keep Your Eyes On The Skies! - ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.aol.com/Secretjet/Links.html Black-Triangle Links ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:33:02 -0500 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: U-2 history I don't think I'd heard of this before. FWIW http://www.geocities.com/robolibrarian/ DRAGON LADY IN ACTION: The History of the U-2 Spyplane Edited by Dr. M. Bitetto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:31:26 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: Re: SR-71 - Jpeg Photo - Apology! >In a message dated 12/04/02 18:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, haveblue@matrixpm.com >writes: > ><< Damn, I hit 'reply' not realized it would cc: the whole darn list... >> > >Me too - Sorry for the attachment to those >of you not requesting it... >Too early in the morning! But if you notice it didn't get to the list.....there are filters here to keep that from happening :) Have a good day! ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:25:18 -0400 From: Joe Donoghue Subject: Re: U-2 history At 10:33 AM 4/13/02 -0500, you wrote: >I don't think I'd heard of this before. >FWIW > >http://www.geocities.com/robolibrarian/ > > DRAGON LADY IN ACTION: The History of the U-2 Spyplane >Edited by Dr. M. Bitetto This is Chris Pocock''s DRAGON LADY. Chris, you've been plagiarized Joe Donoghue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:42:45 EDT From: Xelex@aol.com Subject: Re: Groom Lake photo The "secondary stuff on the lakebed" in the April 2001 Ikonos image of Groom Lake includes alternate (unpaved) runways and the "Abort Circle:" originally added in the 1960s. A number of crosswind runways were marked on the lakebed surface during the 1950s, but only two have been maintained since (runways 9-27 and 03-21). The abort circle was to be used if the 5,000-foot extension beyond the mid-lake turnaround pad didn't seem sufficent for an aborted takeoff or emergency landing on runway 32L. Peter Merlin In a message dated 4/13/2 02:53:00, you wrote: < FWIW, there's a nice Ikonos pic of Groom Lake taken 16 April 2001 that > shows, presumably because of favorable lighting conditions, secondary > stuff on the lake bed:>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:52:11 -0500 From: Russell Flowers Subject: Re: SR-71 last flight - Jpeg Photo available Please e-mail me a copy of the photo. My address is: kmaplf@satx.rr.com Thanks, Russ - -- Russ Flowers - - San Antonio, Texas - - - Misspellings are for your amusement only. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:41:58 +0100 From: "Haitham Yousef; PhD" Subject: Celebrating Kelly's Life Dear All, Why doesn't Hollywood produce a film about the life of Kelly Johnson. I would recommend Brian Denehey to play Kelly's role. Regards, Haitham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:43:01 +0100 From: Adrian Mann Subject: Re: Celebrating Kelly's Life What an excellent idea! I'm sure between us we could put together a consortium to get it moving... On 18/4/02 1:41 pm, "Haitham Yousef; PhD" wrote: > Dear All, > > Why doesn't Hollywood produce a film about the life of Kelly Johnson. I > would recommend Brian Denehey to play Kelly's role. > > Regards, > Haitham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:10:12 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: Celebrating Kelly's Life Perhaps Tom Hanks or John Travolta might be interested in the project, Tom is producing a lot of military history stuff lately, and John is REAL big into planes & flying, ( understand he may have just purchased a 747, guess the 707 wasn't big enough for him.) At 04:43 PM 4/18/02 +0100, you wrote: >What an excellent idea! I'm sure between us we could put together a >consortium to get it moving... >On 18/4/02 1:41 pm, "Haitham Yousef; PhD" wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Why doesn't Hollywood produce a film about the life of Kelly Johnson. I >> would recommend Brian Denehey to play Kelly's role. >> Haitham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "D. Allison" Subject: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Hello, Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? Sincerely, - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:56:52 -0700 To: webmaster@habu.org Subject: SR-71 pilot manual link The link ftp://ftp.netwrx1.com/pub/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf does not work. FYI, David Covington=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:35:59 -0600 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) At 10:33 AM 4/30/2002 -0400, D. Allison wrote: >Hello, > >Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure >enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? > > > >>The link ftp://ftp.netwrx1.com/pub/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf does not >>work. The entire directory isn't there. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 - -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:11:29 -0500 From: Have Blue Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) >Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure >enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? > > I stashed a copy of the file a while back: http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/sr71flt.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:42:00 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) I was asked by the publishjed to please remove it as it is copyrighted material. George >Hello, > >Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure >enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? > >Sincerely, > > - D - > >David Allison >webmaster@habu.org > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > tm > / \ > / \ > _/ ___ \_ > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > www.habu.org > The OnLine Blackbird Museum > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:56:52 -0700 >To: webmaster@habu.org >Subject: SR-71 pilot manual link > >The link ftp://ftp.netwrx1.com/pub/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf does not >work. > >FYI, > >David Covington=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:17:51 -0500 From: "Robert S. Hopkins, III" Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) I thought that we had already gone through this discussion and that it was not copyrighted. Although the book's title page says (c) James C. Goodall, 1992, I don't recall that official government documents can be copyrighted by a private citizen or entity. Moreover, as the content of the book as published is unchanged from the original, then there can be no creative intent or art that is otherwise copyrightable. If it IS copyrighted, then I will copyright the entire manual series for the C-135 and all its variants and then sue the government for copyright infringement. I think "the publisher" doesn't have a leg to stand on. My opinion only, but I have had enough experience with copyright issues of government documents to think this wouldn't stand up in court, even if it were to progress that far. Robert Hopkins >I was asked by the publishjed to please remove it as it is copyrighted >material. > >George > > > >Hello, > > > >Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure > >enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? > > > >Sincerely, > > > > - D - > > > >David Allison > >webmaster@habu.org > > > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > > tm > > / \ > > / \ > > _/ ___ \_ > > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > > > www.habu.org > > The OnLine Blackbird Museum > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:56:52 -0700 > >To: webmaster@habu.org > >Subject: SR-71 pilot manual link > > > >The link ftp://ftp.netwrx1.com/pub/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf does not > >work. > > > >FYI, > > > >David Covington=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 >Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX >http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 > >Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > tm > / \ > / \ > _/ ___ \_ > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > www.habu.org > The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:33:21 -0500 From: "Allen Thomson" Subject: A mild critique of the NRO Perhaps only slightly skunkish, but an interesting (and rare) insider critique of one of the major black organizations: http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/thompson.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:55:51 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Bob: I'm not a lawyer (and don't play one on TV either :) ) so I can't say what is or isn't legal. However, as a courtesy to them I was asked and complied to remove it. If you'd like to post it to your web site go right ahead, as you see it IS available for download from at least one other source. It WILL NOT appear on the Skunk-Works archive which is located at http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ End of topic, as I really don't wish to rehash this either at this point since as you point out it has been done before. Thanks, George >I thought that we had already gone through this discussion and that >it was not copyrighted. Although the book's title page says (c) James >C. Goodall, 1992, I don't recall that official government documents >can be copyrighted by a private citizen or entity. Moreover, as the >content of the book as published is unchanged from the original, then >there can be no creative intent or art that is otherwise >copyrightable. > >If it IS copyrighted, then I will copyright the entire manual series >for the C-135 and all its variants and then sue the government for >copyright infringement. > >I think "the publisher" doesn't have a leg to stand on. My opinion >only, but I have had enough experience with copyright issues of >government documents to think this wouldn't stand up in court, even >if it were to progress that far. > >Robert Hopkins > > > > > > > > >>I was asked by the publishjed to please remove it as it is copyrighted >>material. >> >>George >> >> >> >Hello, >> > >> >Someone sent me the following email. I tried the link and sure >> >enough, I get a file not found error. Has the file been pulled? >> > >> >Sincerely, >> > > ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, George Kasica wrote: > I was asked by the publishjed to please remove it as it is copyrighted > material. Can't be. US government documents are in the public domain. Anyone can copy them. The guy who made the copies to sell begged a copy from NASA, put a copyrighted cover on it, and sold it, but the basic material was never copyright. It's just like the Meese report on pornography--only the added material was copyright, while the government text wasn't. Or all the editions of the Warren Commission report. Or even (dare I mention it?) the USAF Blue Book. Believe me about this. I've been writing uncopyrightable documents for decades. You don't think NASA makes money when someone uses photos or video in advertisements, do you? Public domain pure and simple. Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com "Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:48:39 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: Re: James Goodall On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:11:30 -0700, you wrote: >George, >Jim Goodall has been around for a long time in the black airplane >business. He fooled some people in getting a copy of the flight manual >back in the early nineties. Boy were they surprised when he began selling >copies for a hundred bucks pop. But thats good old capitalism in action I >guess. > >Some people admire his determined efforts and initiative while others would >like to string him up. So it seems rather ironic that after he hustled a >copy of the book to publish he now protects his interest with the >implication of legal formality. > >One could fault his data and document collection methods but he does get >things published. Noteworthy is the first book published devoted to the >F-117. And he recently issued a newer updated F-117 book with some good >photos he obtained. > >Patrick Cullumber > Pat: So you're telling me that he really has no copyright on this thing? If thats the case, then I'm assuming its OK to post?? ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:00:46 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) OK: Based on a number of private e-mails on the REAL history of this item (thanks all) I have decided to restore it to the archives as it IS NOT COPYRIGHTED. It can be found again at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf George ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:29:12 +0100 From: "Gavin Payne" Subject: 1995 U-2 Crash I've put a simple page on our RAF Fairford website about the tragic U-2 crash in 1995. http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAFFairford/u2crash.msnw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:15:09 -0500 From: "Robert S. Hopkins, III" Subject: Re: SR-71 pilot manual link (fwd) Congratulations! Another successful effort in doing the right thing. Thanks for the commitment! Best Regards, Robert >OK: > > >Based on a number of private e-mails on the REAL history of this item >(thanks all) I have decided to restore it to the archives as it IS NOT >COPYRIGHTED. > >It can be found again at: > >http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/sr71flt.pdf > >George > > >===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 >Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX >http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA >georgek@netwrx1.com >ICQ #12862186 > >Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > tm > / \ > / \ > _/ ___ \_ > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > www.habu.org > The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 07:15:56 -0500 From: George Kasica Subject: ADMIN: System Downtime Friday May 3, 2002 NOTICE: To repair the last of the damage from the March 8, 2002 lightning strike all systems here at Netwrx Consulting Inc. WILL BE SHUT DOWN from 1330(1830Z) CST Friday May 3, 2002 until 1730(223Z) Friday May 3, 2002. The reason for the shutdown is replacement of the automatic generator control switch, which requires all power into the facility to be interrupted during this process. Thank you for your patience in this maintenance period. If you have any questions please call 262-677-0766. Sincerely, George R. Kasica President Netwrx Consulting Inc. ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:47:50 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: video headsup Anyone that has access to NASA TV on C-Band sat TV or DishTV carrying NASA TV they are showing the education file at 2-3 EDT today this edition is about high speed flight testing, and includes a LARGE amount of SR-71 flying footage. It SHOULD be repeated at 5-6 EDT and 8-9 EDT & 11-12 EDT Sorry I did not get this out earlier, \\ ~ ~ // ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------- | john.szalay@att.net | ------------------Oooo.----------- .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) I yam whaddIyam. No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message, However, A rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. Friends, don't let friends do AOL! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:10:33 -0700 From: "Mr. K. Rudolph" Subject: NASA Select. SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked up. This summers project! Kurt - --- Ross Technologies Signals Intelligence Division Rosetta Proving Grounds ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:40:14 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: Re: NASA Select. At 12:10 PM 5/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked up. This summers project! >Kurt With lots of folks getting rid of the C-band dishes in favor of the smaller DBS units, there seems to be a lot of big dishes available so I went around and bummed enough parts to build a system with the whole purpose of being able to receive NASA Select.. Its films such as this & shuttle flights, that make it all worth worth the effort. Rather have a DBS dish, but its still hard to find a company that will carry NASA Select, cable company laughs when the topic is brought up... some nice shots of the SR and interviews of pilots and engineers in this film.. Hopefully this will be repeated several times in the next few weeks seems to be the norm... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:40:01 -0600 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: NASA Select. At 05:40 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, John Szalay wrote: > Rather have a DBS dish, but its still hard to find a company >that will carry NASA Select, cable company laughs when the topic >is brought up... DirectTV carries it, and it's free. IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM TO RECEIVE THE "SECOND SATELLITE." Otherwise, you can't pick it up on their system. I believe DISH carries it in their basic programming at no extra charge. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 - -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:54:03 -0500 From: "Sam Wiltzius" Subject: RE: NASA Select. Just watched the show on the internet. If you have a high speed connection you may want to check out the following link. http://www.broadcast.com/learning_and_education/science/space/nasa/ or http://www.broadcast.com/learning_and_education/science/space/nasa/nasa_tele vision/ (I had issues with the 2nd one but it should link to the same data stream) The video quality was not like TV but it sure was better then not seeing the show. Sam Wiltzius - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com]On Behalf Of John Szalay Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:40 PM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: Re: NASA Select. At 12:10 PM 5/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked up. This summers project! >Kurt With lots of folks getting rid of the C-band dishes in favor of the smaller DBS units, there seems to be a lot of big dishes available so I went around and bummed enough parts to build a system with the whole purpose of being able to receive NASA Select.. Its films such as this & shuttle flights, that make it all worth worth the effort. Rather have a DBS dish, but its still hard to find a company that will carry NASA Select, cable company laughs when the topic is brought up... some nice shots of the SR and interviews of pilots and engineers in this film.. Hopefully this will be repeated several times in the next few weeks seems to be the norm... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:10:33 -0700 From: "Mr. K. Rudolph" Subject: NASA Select. SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked up. This summers project! Kurt - --- Ross Technologies Signals Intelligence Division Rosetta Proving Grounds ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:55:33 -0400 From: "Weigold, Greg" Subject: Re: NASA Select. I think DishTV carries NASA Select as part of their America's Greatest 100 (or more) channels... I'd rather have a dedicated C-band dish and receiver so I don't have to fight with the kids (or wife) for the satellite controller.... Is NASA Select broadcast "in the open" on the C-band sats? Greg W At 12:10 PM 5/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked up. This summers project! >Kurt With lots of folks getting rid of the C-band dishes in favor of the smaller DBS units, there seems to be a lot of big dishes available so I went around and bummed enough parts to build a system with the whole purpose of being able to receive NASA Select.. Its films such as this & shuttle flights, that make it all worth worth the effort. Rather have a DBS dish, but its still hard to find a company that will carry NASA Select, cable company laughs when the topic is brought up... some nice shots of the SR and interviews of pilots and engineers in this film.. Hopefully this will be repeated several times in the next few weeks seems to be the norm... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:24:21 -0700 From: Tony Dinkel Subject: Re: NASA Select. >I'd rather have a dedicated C-band dish and receiver so I don't have >to fight with the kids (or wife) for the satellite controller.... I agree. I keep it on a small dedicated monitor on it all the time. > > Is NASA Select broadcast "in the open" on the C-band sats? Yes. Just plain old analog FM video with audio on 6.8mHz. I wish they would put mission audio on 6.2, commentary only. No press conferences or regular scheduled stuff. > >SHOOT! A pile of dishes and receivers and not a single one hooked >up. This summers project! > >Kurt Start out small and see what you get. You may be pleasantly surprised depending on where in the country you are. Its pretty strong. Not all uplinks saturate though, I have noticed. Headquarters, JSC and KSC are the best. JPL and Vandenberg have just a touch of noise. > > > With lots of folks getting rid of the C-band dishes in favor of the > smaller DBS units, there seems to be a lot of big dishes available > so I went around and bummed enough parts to build a system with > the whole purpose of being able to receive NASA Select.. > Its films such as this & shuttle flights, that make it all worth > worth the effort. For any skunkers in the LA area, I repeat shuttle audio on 446.120 mHz. Hearable on any police scanner. > > Rather have a DBS dish, but its still hard to find a company > that will carry NASA Select, cable company laughs when the topic > is brought up... It is for that exact reason I am sticking with C-Band. You could have it just fine, then the system could get reshuffled and it could get stuck in a different package so you have to pay more to get it. That happened to a friend of mine. > > some nice shots of the SR and interviews of pilots and engineers > in this film.. Kept my 4 year old interested. > > Hopefully this will be repeated several times in the next few weeks > seems to be the norm... You could probably email the av guy or pao in Washington and ask or request it. It worked for me a bunch of years ago. Back then I had to use the phone. td ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V11 #3 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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