From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Tue Apr 15 10:57:29 2003 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:25:39 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V12 #2 skunk-works-digest Tuesday, April 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 002 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: skunk-works-digest V12 #1 Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. U-2 Ops Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Glacier Girl to-night on History Channel F-117s in transit RE: New SR-71 Book - KINGFISH Observations. blackbird updates Re: blackbird updates B blackbird updates Re: B blackbird updates Dragonlady PR Just got this. Re: Just got this. *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:01:39 -0500 From: "Jim Bjaloncik" Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V12 #1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "skunk-works-digest" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: skunk-works-digest V12 #1 > > skunk-works-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 001 > > > Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:20:41 -0500 > From: John Szalay > Subject: Re: Goin' high and fast: ISINGLASS, SCIENCE DAWN and beyond > > At 09:43 PM 12/1/02 -0600, you wrote: > >http://hypersonic2002.aaaf.asso.fr/papers/17_5143.pdf > > > >Anyone know more about ISINGLASS? > > All I could find.. > > http://www.blackbirds.net/sr71/successortou2.html > John: Try the following link - http://hypersonic2002.aaaf.asso.fr/papers/17_5143.pdf Make sure you have Adobe Acrobat installed for this. I was able to pull it up thru Google, my favorite search engine. Isinglass is tabbed as being a CIA project in 1965, which led to TAV, which ended up as the X-33 in 1996, according to some of the diagrams at the end of the paper. I did a fairly quick read of the paper, didn't really see \ an explanation of Isinglass in the body of the paper but it was mentioned in the above-mentioned diagrams. Supposedly a rocket-powered, air-launched aircraft. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:13:23 -0800 From: Art Hanley Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Jon wrote: > > SR-71 # 971 was towed to outside storage last week, after having the wings > removed. It will stay in its current location until spring, 2003, when it > will be transported by truck to the Evergreen Aviation Museum in the state > of Oregon. These pictures were taken by Doug Nelson, Director of the AFFTC > Museum @ Edwards AFB. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cur8mach/index.htm > > PJ It's my understanding that the B is being disassembled into 89 truckloads to go to a museum in Kalalmazoo. This effectively precludes any possibility of the aircraft ever coming back (of course we already knew that was the case). Not to worry, Saddam now says we can fly U-2s and he probably won't shoot them down--as long as he is given 48 hours notice. Art ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:43:39 -0000 From: "David" Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. "Art Hanley" writes > Jon wrote: > > > > SR-71 # 971 was towed to outside storage last week, after having the wings > > removed. It will stay in its current location until spring, 2003, when it > > will be transported by truck to the Evergreen Aviation Museum in the state > > of Oregon. These pictures were taken by Doug Nelson, Director of the AFFTC > > Museum @ Edwards AFB. > > It's my understanding that the B is being disassembled into 89 > truckloads to go to a museum in Kalalmazoo. This effectively precludes > any possibility of the aircraft ever coming back (of course we already > knew that was the case). Not to worry, Saddam now says we can fly U-2s > and he probably won't shoot them down--as long as he is given 48 hours > notice. Good points Art. I've been on this list for many years and hate to see it in decline, so I wonder if listmembers would be interested in getting a discussion going on the status of strategic aerial recon? How much of a hole in strategic intel gathering do we feel has resulted in the withdrawl of the SR-71 and the subsequent loss of a fast-response, global 'looksee' capability? Orbital assets have proven to be very useful, but as we know - their "time over target' is all too predictable. Orbits can be changed of course, but using conventional thrusters, each time this happens, the sat's life is reduced. UAVs such as Global Hawk show no sign of taking up the strategic recon mission that was performed by the Blackbirds. Would a D-21 with a modern sensor suite and datalink have a role? Or is the LO the way to address to issues associated with timely, SR? Any thoughts? David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:04:07 +0000 From: Adrian Mann Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Hi all, That's a good idea David - as the Skunkworks products are/were mainly used for SR, it's a logical extension that we could cover those topics here too without appearing to be O/T. Personally, I look forward to seeing more on this. Does anyone know where the U2's would be flying out of? Adrian Mann On 28/2/03 9:43 am, "David" wrote: > "Art Hanley" writes > >> Jon wrote: >>> >>> SR-71 # 971 was towed to outside storage last week, after having > the wings >>> removed. It will stay in its current location until spring, 2003, > when it >>> will be transported by truck to the Evergreen Aviation Museum in > the state >>> of Oregon. These pictures were taken by Doug Nelson, Director of > the AFFTC >>> Museum @ Edwards AFB. >> >> It's my understanding that the B is being disassembled into 89 >> truckloads to go to a museum in Kalalmazoo. This effectively > precludes >> any possibility of the aircraft ever coming back (of course we > already >> knew that was the case). Not to worry, Saddam now says we can fly > U-2s >> and he probably won't shoot them down--as long as he is given 48 > hours >> notice. > > Good points Art. I've been on this list for many years and hate to see > it in decline, so I wonder if listmembers would be interested in > getting a discussion going on the status of strategic aerial recon? > > How much of a hole in strategic intel gathering do we feel has > resulted in the withdrawl of the SR-71 and the subsequent loss of a > fast-response, global 'looksee' capability? > > Orbital assets have proven to be very useful, but as we know - their > "time over target' is all too predictable. Orbits can be changed of > course, but using conventional thrusters, each time this happens, the > sat's life is reduced. > > UAVs such as Global Hawk show no sign of taking up the strategic recon > mission that was performed by the Blackbirds. Would a D-21 with a > modern sensor suite and datalink have a role? > Or is the LO the way to address to issues associated with timely, SR? > > Any thoughts? > > David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:11:51 -0000 From: "David" Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. Good to hear from you Adrian I've heard from a couple of sources that the current U-2 deployment is based in Germany - I'm not sure off the top of my head how many U-2 bases still exist there. Hadn't there used to be three? I suspect it would be lot easier to fly out of Turkey which may happen now. I haven't heard what sensor suites will be made available to the UNMOVIC inspectors. Can't help but think the SR's unique capabilities are sorely missed. Quite apart from intel gathering , those double kabooms were terrifying by all accounts - and they let the bad guys know in no uncertain terms that they were being watched by technologies they could never hope to acquire. Best D "Adrian Mann" writes: > Hi all, > > That's a good idea David - as the Skunkworks products are/were mainly used > for SR, it's a logical extension that we could cover those topics here too > without appearing to be O/T. Personally, I look forward to seeing more on > this. > > Does anyone know where the U2's would be flying out of? > > Adrian Mann > > > > On 28/2/03 9:43 am, "David" wrote: > > > "Art Hanley" writes > > > >> Jon wrote: > >>> > >>> SR-71 # 971 was towed to outside storage last week, after having > > the wings > >>> removed. It will stay in its current location until spring, 2003, > > when it > >>> will be transported by truck to the Evergreen Aviation Museum in > > the state > >>> of Oregon. These pictures were taken by Doug Nelson, Director of > > the AFFTC > >>> Museum @ Edwards AFB. > >> > >> It's my understanding that the B is being disassembled into 89 > >> truckloads to go to a museum in Kalalmazoo. This effectively > > precludes > >> any possibility of the aircraft ever coming back (of course we > > already > >> knew that was the case). Not to worry, Saddam now says we can fly > > U-2s > >> and he probably won't shoot them down--as long as he is given 48 > > hours > >> notice. > > > > Good points Art. I've been on this list for many years and hate to see > > it in decline, so I wonder if listmembers would be interested in > > getting a discussion going on the status of strategic aerial recon? > > > > How much of a hole in strategic intel gathering do we feel has > > resulted in the withdrawl of the SR-71 and the subsequent loss of a > > fast-response, global 'looksee' capability? > > > > Orbital assets have proven to be very useful, but as we know - their > > "time over target' is all too predictable. Orbits can be changed of > > course, but using conventional thrusters, each time this happens, the > > sat's life is reduced. > > > > UAVs such as Global Hawk show no sign of taking up the strategic recon > > mission that was performed by the Blackbirds. Would a D-21 with a > > modern sensor suite and datalink have a role? > > Or is the LO the way to address to issues associated with timely, SR? > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:37:25 -0600 From: "Robert S. Hopkins, III" Subject: U-2 Ops U-2s previously operated over Iraq from their base at Taif, Saudi Arabia. I don't know if this remains the case or not. Cyprus is not a likely choice as the airplane will require overflights to reach Iraq, something Syria (in particular) is not likely to approve. Turkey is obviously an option, but the U.S. presence there is both sensitive as well as already overcrowded. Regarding the thoughts on strategic reconnaissance after the SR-71, the issue of LO (low observable) masks one of the critical features of strat recon: transparency. When the Sled overflew a nation or flew along its periphery that nation KNEW it was being monitored. Granted that enables it to hide activities for known flights, as with satellites. Part of the goal of strat recon is to tell the other side that "we're watching and (a) there's not much you can do about it; and (b) is there anything you'd like tell us?" During the cold war this worked well for both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., as each side could be reassured about the other. During the "Missile Gap," for example, the U.S. knew that there was no major Soviet advantage. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, benefitted from the overflights because the U.S. did not fear the Soviet missile capability and didn't build U.S. defenses (under Ike), alleviating the need for the Soviets to build what they were ill-suited to build. In short, despite all the efforts to make the SR- and U-2 stealthy, there are numerous times when they were more effective in a highly visible role. The present flights over Iraq are as much political as they are tactical, and there are plenty of examples, such as the OPEN SKIES program, that support this. There will always be the need for undetected or "low-profile" strat recon, but that constitutes only a very small portion of the overall mission capability of the aerial platforms. Robert Hopkins drbob@shemya.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:24:34 -0800 From: Art Hanley Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. David wrote: > > "Art Hanley" writes > > > > > It's my understanding that the B is being disassembled into 89 > > truckloads to go to a museum in Kalalmazoo. This effectively > precludes > > any possibility of the aircraft ever coming back (of course we > already > > knew that was the case). Not to worry, Saddam now says we can fly > U-2s > > and he probably won't shoot them down--as long as he is given 48 > hours > > notice. > > Good points Art. I've been on this list for many years and hate to see > it in decline, so I wonder if listmembers would be interested in > getting a discussion going on the status of strategic aerial recon? > > How much of a hole in strategic intel gathering do we feel has > resulted in the withdrawl of the SR-71 and the subsequent loss of a > fast-response, global 'looksee' capability? > > Orbital assets have proven to be very useful, but as we know - their > "time over target' is all too predictable. Orbits can be changed of > course, but using conventional thrusters, each time this happens, the > sat's life is reduced. > > UAVs such as Global Hawk show no sign of taking up the strategic recon > mission that was performed by the Blackbirds. Would a D-21 with a > modern sensor suite and datalink have a role? > Or is the LO the way to address to issues associated with timely, SR? > > Any thoughts? > > David In the '90s, the restored SR's missions were envisioned being primarily tactical, although the strategic capability would remain. Part of this redirection was to exploit an arena that had serious deficiencies which weren't really being addressed. Another reason, of course, was so the satellite people wouldn't freak out and lobby against the aircraft (didn't work), though. As a recon asset, it could bring more types of sensors on a particular mission than anything available then or since. Of course, it was always acknowledged that it couldn't loiter. Instead it would have to go in and do the mission, come back out squirt most of the info to the ground forces or satellite, and if it was though likely it would have to go back in, hang on a tanker in safe airspace until retasked. Overhead strategic recon in general is now firmly in the iron grip of the satellite community. Standoff airborne assets are used as long as the airspace is deemed safe ("Pay no attention to that Chinese fighter off the wing"). Problem with a D-21 is you'd still need something to get it close. Any strategic or tactical recon that would call on the abilites of the Blackbird has essentially been abandoned. Subs have been given a bigger intel role than they already have, but they were cut back so much in the 1993-2000 years that in many cases the assets are no longer available to answer the call. One ironic Catch-22 regarding SR "replacements" was the SR itself. As long as those assets existed, even sitting in the desert, it was Soooo much cheaper to reactivate them and use their great capabilities than to develop something new. That was another inside-the-Beltway to get rid of them--you can't become a General or Senior civil servant managing a 40 year old aircraft program. Regarding fast look strategic recon looking forward from today, the best choice would probably be a high speed UAV. Whether we everf see oe depends of people being able to look in the long term, given that whatever Administration starts it may not be still around when it enters service. IMHO. BTW, there was a typo in my original post. It's 8 truckloads, not 89 truckloads to move the B. Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:29:16 -0800 From: Art Hanley Subject: Re: SR-71 moved to outside storage. I left out one note from my post: A high speed UAV wouldn't be stealthy, but it wouldn't matter that much. Since it would be very difficult to bring one down, and since there would be insufficient time to hide what it was looking for, the fact that the targets might see it isn't that important. Stealth is wonderful, but it also imposes a lot of constraints in design, maintenance and operations. Plus, in order to remain stealthy, there are certain things you just can't do, like radiate, which are something you want to do in objective-oriented recon. Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:16:21 -0500 From: John Szalay Subject: Glacier Girl to-night on History Channel Lockheed product take to the history channel to-night at 9PM EST. Show is titled, " Hunt For The Lost Squadron " The documentary on the P-38 known as Glacier Girl is scheduled to air this evening at 9 EST. 1 1/2 hour show...... the history of the flight, hunt, recovery and first flight of the rebuilt Lockheed P-38. personal note: We have been lucky enough to live fairly close to Middlesboro, the site of the rebuild effort, and have visited the hanger many times during the 10 years involved in restoring this beauty to flying condition. As a journeyman metal worker myself, I can attest to the craftsmanship that went into the restoration. and I was thrilled to have been one of those on the ramp when she flew again last year. Enjoy the show, and hopefully she will be visiting an airport near you in the future.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:25:02 -0500 From: John Szalay Subject: F-117s in transit Six F117 stealth jet fighters -- key weapons of the 1991 Persian Gulf War -- left Hickam Air Force Base wed morning heading west. http://starbulletin.com/2003/03/12/news/story5.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:06:51 -0600 From: George Kasica Subject: RE: New SR-71 Book - KINGFISH Observations. >From: "Smith, Larry O" >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Cc: "Smith, Larry O" >Subject: RE: New SR-71 Book - KINGFISH Observations. >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:49:33 -0800 >Hello again Skunk Works List, after a long time! >Thanks for the heads up on the new Miller/Goodall SR book. > >I finally got my copy last weekend. Although there are >boo-boos like Bob Widmer's name not being spelled correctly >consistently, it's quite a nice book!! > >Another benefit of reading it is to to get little tidbits >like the comments about a Lockheed proposal to USAF of an >F-104 with wingtip mounted ramjets! > >On the KINGFISH. I LOVED the photos of the 1:1 scale >RCS Model. The quality of the model looks rather 'unfinished' >compared to the A-12's, but the pictures show it being >assembled (I assume). Maybe it looked a little better once >it was complete. > >I have several observations from the KINGFISH pictures. The size of >KINGFISH looks smaller than the A-12 to me, assuming they were >both 1:1 scale. There seem to be things missing from the model >or maybe I just don't understand how they were to work. For >example, there are no boundary layer diverters for the nose >boundary layer on those massive 2-D inlets really visible (at >least to me) (love those big inlets!). Maybe there was a bleed >somewhere for that. Of course, stealth design would be an aspect >of those inlets. One shot of the model under construction shows >an isentropic ramp in the model's inlet. Not a very high cockpit >for the crew at all. It looks like there's a little bump for the >pilot and I'm not sure where the other crewman was. Maybe this was >a single seater like the A-12. The front view of KINGFISH sure >looks wicked! I love it! The rectangular holes where the nozzle >will go, or is, are interesting. I wonder how the J58 interfaced >to that. Stealth aspects probably there too. I wish there were photos of >the finished pole model. Beautiful Airplane! Too bad the real bird >was never built! Bob Widmer once told me that they never got the >time to finish the KINGFISH the way they wanted to, after they were >forced to drop FISH. > >On the FISH pictures. FISH is larger than SUPER HUSTLER. When FISH is >mounted under the B-58, where are the landing gear for the B-58? >Interesting inlet cover over FISH's inlet when mounted under the B-58. >It looks crooked. Can you imagine getting rid of that! The frangible >inlet covers on the D-21A never worked. > >Interesting comments on the J58 (in another form) also being intended >for the F8U-3. > >Larry > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert S. Hopkins, III [mailto:drbob@shemya.net] >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:08 AM >To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com >Subject: New SR-71 Book > > >FYI--- > >Yet another SR-71 book has been released, this one from Aerofax by >Jim Goodall and Jay Miller. If you haven't been buying any Sled books >lately for fear of repetition, don't pass this one by. > >This book is full of new material, and includes excellent photos and >discussion of KINGFISH and other early stuff, and has proposal >drawings of a tanker version (KSR-71?) and a CARRIER BASED version of >the SR-71 (complete with JATO bottles and tail hook). > >Definitely worth adding to the collection. > >Robert Hopkins > >p.s. DISCLAIMER --- Jay is a good friend of mine, but I wouldn't hold >that against him! :) ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA georgek@netwrx1.com ICQ #12862186 Digest Issues at: http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "D. Allison" Subject: blackbird updates Hello, The list has been quiet lately, thought I'd share a few updates from the blackbird world: 1) The SR-71B trainer aircraft arrived in Kalamazoo last week; the team from WorldWide Aircraft Recovery are in the process of re-assembling her. 2) The "Titanium Goose," the only A-12 that has not been delivered to a museum, will be shipped to the Museum of Science and Industry in LA later this year (late summer/early fall timeframe). Also, while not totally "skunky," there is a new book out on the X-15 that is a definite must-have. "Hypersonic: The Story of the North American X-15" is almost 300 pages of the most thorough research you've ever seen on this plane, and includes forewords from Scott Crossfield and the first and last X-15 pilots respectively. ISBN number is 158007068X. - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "D. Allison" Subject: Re: blackbird updates Oops, looks like part of that email ended up in the bit bucket. The next to last line should have read: "...and includes forewords from Scott Crossfield and Bill Dana, the first and last X-15 pilots respectively." - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T tm / \ / \ _/ ___ \_ ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ \__/ \___/ \__/ www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:10:28 EDT From: SecretJet@aol.com Subject: B blackbird updates In a message dated 08/04/03 18:24:59 GMT Daylight Time, allison@habu.org writes: Hello, The list has been quiet lately, thought I'd share a few updates from the blackbird world: 1) The SR-71B trainer aircraft arrived in Kalamazoo last week; the team from WorldWide Aircraft Recovery are in the process of re-assembling her. 2) The "Titanium Goose," the only A-12 that has not been delivered to a museum, will be shipped to the Museum of Science and Industry in LA later this year (late summer/early fall timeframe). Also, while not totally "skunky," there is a new book out on the X-15 that is a definite must-have. "Hypersonic: The Story of the North American X-15" is almost 300 pages of the most thorough research you've ever seen on this plane, and includes forewords from Scott Crossfield and the first and last X-15 pilots respectively. ISBN number is 158007068X. - D - David Allison webmaster@habu.org www.habu.org The OnLine Blackbird Museum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:39:37 -0700 From: Mary Shafer Subject: Re: B blackbird updates On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:10:28 EDT, David Allison wrote: >Also, while not totally "skunky," there is a new book out on the X-15 >that is a definite must-have. "Hypersonic: The Story of the North >American X-15" is almost 300 pages of the most thorough research you've >ever seen on this plane, and includes forewords from Scott Crossfield and >the first and last X-15 pilots respectively. > >ISBN number is 158007068X. This is a wonderful book. Tony Landis, who did the drawings and photos, is a Dryden photographer and spend ages combing the NASA and USAF archives for photos that are relatively novel, not the classics that have been published so often. Dennis did his usual excellent job, too. If you're interested in the X-15 (hey, it was black, after all), there's a book called "On the Edge of Space" by Milt Thompson, who flew the X-15, that I really recommend. Neil Armstrong wrote the foreward. I don't have the ISBN, I'm sorry to say. It was published by Smithsonian. Mary - -- Mary Shafer miliff@qnet.com Retired aerospace engineer "The guy you don't see will kill you." BGEN Robim Olds, USAF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:50:52 -0400 From: John Szalay Subject: Dragonlady PR Improved 'Dragon Lady' still seeks, finds today's prey http://www.af.mil/news/Apr2003/41103874.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:12:06 -0700 From: "Mr. K. Rudolph" Subject: Just got this. 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