From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Thu Jun 15 16:14:22 2006 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:40:39 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V15 #10 skunk-works-digest Thursday, June 15 2006 Volume 15 : Number 010 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** skunk-works Gaspipe Redux Re: skunk-works Gaspipe Redux skunk-works F-117 info skunk-works FWD (UFO UpDate) What Are Those Words That Trigger Echelon? skunk-works FWD [U-Tapao] Nellis AFB, Nevada [new subj] skunk-works FWD [the-tlc-mission] Air America, 3rd Edition skunk-works FWD [tlc-brotherhood] YF-12 out of Beale AFB [new subj] skunk-works "Report fuels spy plane theories" *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:50:49 -0500 From: crash Subject: skunk-works Gaspipe Redux In a recent digest, Patrick says: "Go back and look at the numbers for the altitudes and distances given in the radio transmission. Do some math. The numbers make no sense. 75 miles away from Edwards on final approach the aircraft is monitored performing a very steep dive to a lower altitude. So steep that it would have gained enough energy to push it to maybe Mach 2? And then it is monitored on a very low and very fast approach to Edwards still 60 miles? The Space Shuttle is on an entirely different descent coming in much closer to Edwards before descending from a greater altitude and flying a corkscrew descent pattern in order to steadily bleed off energy. And its final approach is nowhere near 60 miles." The quote (from the FAS site excerpting AWATS from 11May92) indicates: ""Controllers were directing the unknown Gaspipe aircraft to a runway at Edwards, using advisories similar to those given space shuttle crews during a landing approach. The monitors recorded two advisories, both transmitted by Joshua Control to Gaspipe: "You're at 67,000, 81 mi. out," and "Seventy mi. out, 36,000. Above glide slope." My response: The quote indicates that the transmissions were using advisories similar to those given to shuttle crews during a landing approach, not that they were identical. Possibilities: In fact they may have been superficially similar but since the transmissions haven't been made available as audio files on the internet to examine they may have been misheard / misinterpreted / garbled by the individuals hearing them and further distorted when passed on to AWATS. The only data points we have are: - -81 miles out at 67,000 feet and: - -70 miles out, 36,000 feet above glide slope. Not 36,000 feet altitude (which I think some individuals think that last one is). Time: We have no additional data points, no indication of how long in minutes between the 81 miles and 70 miles transmissions, or any other additional transmissions involved just an intriguing sentence or two about alleged position and altitude and an interesting name. Yes, seems out of whack with reality but depending on what they were flying, if indeed this isn't disinformation, was obviously high performance. Conclusion: I still maintain you don't mess around on ATC frequencies no matter how bored you are.. Locally someone got a hold of an aviation radio and was messing around and they came down on that guy like a ton of bricks and he was a civilian and occurred well before the events of 9/11. - -T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 02:16:53 -0700 From: Patrick Subject: Re: skunk-works Gaspipe Redux At 04:50 PM 5/19/2006, you wrote: >In a recent digest, Patrick says: >"Go back and look at the numbers for the altitudes and distances given >in the radio transmission. Do some math. The numbers make no sense. > >75 miles away from Edwards on final approach the aircraft is monitored >performing a very steep dive to a lower altitude. So steep that it >would >have gained enough energy to push it to maybe Mach 2? > >And then it is monitored on a very low and very fast approach to >Edwards still 60 miles? > >The Space Shuttle is on an entirely different descent coming in much >closer to Edwards before descending from a greater altitude and >flying a corkscrew descent pattern in order to steadily bleed off >energy. And its final approach is nowhere near 60 miles." > >The quote (from the FAS site excerpting AWATS from 11May92) indicates: > >""Controllers were directing the unknown Gaspipe aircraft to a runway >at Edwards, > using advisories similar to those given space shuttle crews during >a landing approach. > The monitors recorded two advisories, both transmitted by Joshua >Control to Gaspipe: > "You're at 67,000, 81 mi. out," and "Seventy mi. out, 36,000. Above >glide slope." > >My response: >The quote indicates that the transmissions were using advisories >similar to those >given to shuttle crews during a landing approach, not that they were >identical. The reference to the Space Shuttle implies this is how Mach 5 aircraft are handled at Edwards. Truth is this is how it is done at any large airport on any given day. >Possibilities: >In fact they may have been superficially similar but since the >transmissions haven't >been made available as audio files on the internet to examine they >may have been >misheard / misinterpreted / garbled by the individuals hearing them >and further >distorted when passed on to AWATS. > >The only data points we have are: >-81 miles out at 67,000 feet and: >-70 miles out, 36,000 feet above glide slope. > >Not 36,000 feet altitude (which I think some individuals think that >last one is). You are changing the data to fit the theory. No flight controllers call out the altitude above the glide path. In fact you have recopied the so called transcripts to show this. I suspect you did it unintentionally. But the calls are always altitude and then the relative position to the glide path. Am I high or am I low? >Time: >We have no additional data points, no indication of how long in minutes >between the 81 miles and 70 miles transmissions, or any other additional >transmissions involved just an intriguing sentence or two about alleged >position and altitude and an interesting name. Incorrect. Final approaches are done in straight lines towards the end of the runway. Any plane capable of Mach 3 or 4 or 5 is going to be doing 500 or 600 hundred miles per hour whicle descending from great altitude. 600 miles per hour, 11 miles travelled over ground is approximately a descent at the rate of 31,000 feet per minute. Why go supersonic again at that low an altitude 70 miles from Edwards? I suspect whomever conjured up this "sighting" didn't realize what he was asking the Aurora to do when he pencilled in the numbers. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ALLEN THOMSON Subject: skunk-works F-117 info Some interesting diagrams and factoids are at http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/dod/safety.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:06:38 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works FWD (UFO UpDate) What Are Those Words That Trigger Echelon? Source: The Register - Southport, Lancashire, UK http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/31/what_are_those_words/ Thursday 31st May 2001 What Are Those Words That Trigger Echelon? We'll tell you By Kieren McCarthy Updated According to various UK media sources today, the buzzwords said to trigger the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand spying mechanism Echelon have been "posted on the Internet". We haven't found the file and it hasn't popped up on the authoritative site for these sorts of things, Cryptome.org, so we'd not put too much weight behind it. However, just for your interest, we give you a quick run-through on what some of the words are. There are the obvious phrases like "Kill the President" which caused two schoolboys from the UK to be quizzed by special branch, "anarchy", "echelon" :-), "nuclear", "assassinate". Then there are ones that are dodgy (cause they fit in with X-file type paranoia) like "Roswell", "Waco", "World Trade Center", "Soros" - after George Soros, "Whitewater". Then there are a suspiciously large number of hacker names: Furby, Bugs Bunny, Bubba the Love etc. But just when we thought it was obviously some script-kiddie hoax, a few interesting words crop up: * FRU - the cover name for the SAS in Northern Ireland * Lebed - an ex-Russian general, now a politician * HALO - a type of parachute jump * Spetznaz - the Russian SAS * Al Amn al-Askari - a member of the Iraqi cabinet * Glock 26 - a ceramic handgun that can't be detected by airport scanners (a reader informs us that the Glock 26 is only partly ceramic, the bullets are metal and is can be detected at airports - so we should really shift this one into the X-file list) * Steak Knife - the codename for an IRA double agent And so on and so forth. Go through them carefully to satisfy your paranoid fantasies (you'll be safe under the bed, trust us). . Update We've been sent this list which may or may not be the same as the one that Block Echelon Day used and which has hit papers today. Who knows? (They do). 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Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1 at mindspring.com > Alternate: < fortean1 at msn.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: * Fortean Times * Mystic's Haven * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > [Southeast Asia/Secret War in Laos veterans, Allies, CIA/NSA, and "steenkeen" contractors are welcome.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:33:04 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works FWD [U-Tapao] Nellis AFB, Nevada [new subj] There are no telling just how many secret places that Nellis has out in the vast waste lands of Nevada. Cherry's place just 69 miles northeast of the main gate of Nellis has a small Lit airstrip that is somehow maintained by Nellis AFB. - -- "Only a zit on the wart on the heinie of progress." Copyright 1992, Frank Rice Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1 at mindspring.com > Alternate: < fortean1 at msn.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: * Fortean Times * Mystic's Haven * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > [Southeast Asia/Secret War in Laos veterans, Allies, CIA/NSA, and "steenkeen" contractors are welcome.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:15:42 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works FWD [the-tlc-mission] Air America, 3rd Edition - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MacAlan Thompson Check it out, by Prof Joe Leeker http://www.utdallas.edu/library/collections/speccoll/Leeker/index3.html Mac - -- Give a man a beer and he wastes an hour; teach a man to brew, and he wastes a lifetime. - -- "Only a zit on the wart on the heinie of progress." Copyright 1992, Frank Rice Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1 at mindspring.com > Alternate: < fortean1 at msn.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: * Fortean Times * Mystic's Haven * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > [Southeast Asia/Secret War in Laos veterans, Allies, CIA/NSA, and "steenkeen" contractors are welcome.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:19:21 -0700 From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works FWD [tlc-brotherhood] YF-12 out of Beale AFB [new subj] If you like YF-12As, Gen Disoway (and baseball caps) and remote Bomb and Gunnery Ranges, here's another one by Col Frazier. http://www.lesfrazier.com/gila.htm Larry - -- "Only a zit on the wart on the heinie of progress." Copyright 1992, Frank Rice Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1 at mindspring.com > Alternate: < fortean1 at msn.com > Home Page: < http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html > Sites: * Fortean Times * Mystic's Haven * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program - ------------ Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: < http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org > [Southeast Asia/Secret War in Laos veterans, Allies, CIA/NSA, and "steenkeen" contractors are welcome.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:39:43 +0100 From: Mark Rousell Subject: skunk-works "Report fuels spy plane theories" Check out the link for a couple of scans of the report. Note the snippet in one of the scanned pages about "entirely extrinsic" propulsion. - --------------------------------------------------------- Report fuels spy plane theories By Meirion Jones BBC Newsnight The UK knows more than it is saying about top secret American aircraft projects, recently declassified documents reveal. Deep inside a previously secret Ministry of Defence report are a few pages which will reignite one of the biggest internet conspiracy questions - Is the US Air Force building secret spy planes which can cross the sky at 3,000mph? The plane, which is often referred to as Aurora, is supposed to be a follow on from the U2 spy plane and the 2,000mph SR71 Blackbird, both of which were first developed and flown in secrecy as 'Black' projects. The MoD report from 2000 says the USAF plans to produce "highly supersonic vehicles at Mach 4 to 6" and hypersonic unmanned craft which will fly in the upper atmosphere and in space. In 2003, the USAF revealed it had been working on a hypersonic unmanned craft - the Falcon - - but denied building an Aurora-like Mach 4 to 6 aircraft. The Aurora has 100,000 web pages devoted to it - a lot for an aircraft which may not exist. According to Jane's Defence Review a third of USAF spending on research and development and procurement goes on classified projects. Some of that helps pay for the development of spy satellites and intelligence activities. But a sizable proportion goes on the development of secret manned and unmanned aircraft. Area 51 For more than 50 years some of the world's most exotic aircraft have been developed at Groom Lake in Nevada - otherwise knows as Area 51 - where the appearance of strange shapes in the sky - planes which officially did not exist - led to rumours that captured UFOs were being flown out of there by the US military. The U2 first took to the sky at Groom Lake in 1955 and stayed secret for five years till the Russians shot one down over Svedlovsk and captured the pilot Gary Powers. The Blackbird SR71 spy plane also secretly flew from Groom Lake in the early 1960s and the F117 Stealth Fighter and its prototypes flew from there for ten years before they were publicly revealed. Huge projects have been hidden from public gaze. The USAF spent $20 billion in developing the B2 stealth bomber before revealing it. Millions were spent upgrading Groom Lake ten years ago and all the surrounding high ground which overlooks the base has been fenced off to keep out curious onlookers but apart from a couple of stealth prototypes there is no sign of what the USAF has been working on there since. 'Black' projects The MoD report which was produced in 2000 and originally classified "Secret - UK eyes only" deals with UFOs - or UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) in MoD jargon - and concludes that there is no evidence for the existence of alien visitors. But it includes a working paper on 'Black' projects which says "it is acknowledged that some UAP sightings can be attributed to covert aircraft programmes". The report lists three Western programmes. The first is the SR71 Blackbird which it refers to by its little-used code name 'Senior Crown'. A 14-line description of Programme 2 and a ten-line description of Programme 3 are both withheld. Even the names of the programmes have been redacted on the grounds of 'international relations'. There are pictures of stealth fighters and bombers, the Blackbird and the new American F22 fighter but two photographs have been withheld. Could one of these be a picture of Aurora? Bill Sweetman of Jane's Defence Review has been analysing America's undercover defence projects for fifteen years. We showed him the report and he concludes the MoD "identified two separate US 'Black' programmes that might have operated from the UK. It could be something they have reason to know about". Imagination The blanked out sections might well contain a reference to Aurora but that does not mean the plane definitely exists. Sweetman says the blanked out sections "could be speculation but then why would they need to withhold it?" Elsewhere in the document in a section on exotic technologies is another intriguing line. The DIS say "The projected (USAF) priority plan is to produce unpiloted air-breathing aircraft with a Mach 8-12 capability and transatmospheric vehicles." but it then continues "as well as highly supersonic vehicles at Mach 4 to 6". The MoD report will be seen by Aurora chasers as another clue to put with unexplained sightings and mystery sonic booms but the Pentagon still insists that Aurora is a figment of their imaginations. Click here to read and join the debate about this article on the Digg website . [The BBC is not responsible for the content of external websites.] Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5079044.stm Published: 2006/06/14 11:18:28 GMT ) BBC MMVI - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V15 #10 ********************************* To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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