From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Sun Dec 28 08:42:26 2008 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:38:00 -0600 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V15 #20 skunk-works-digest Sunday, December 28 2008 Volume 15 : Number 020 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book Re: skunk-works-digest V15 #19 Re: skunk-works-digest V15 #19 skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Crashed Right In Front of Me skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow Re: skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow Re: skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow skunk-works U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) Re: skunk-works U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) skunk-works Fw: Re: [U-Tapao] U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Mildenhall SR71 skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: Lockheed CEO Knew Of ET Visitors *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:23:24 -0500 From: "Bill Bradford" Subject: Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book http://www.amazon.com/Skunk-Works-Personal-Memoir-Lockheed/dp/0316743003 My local Borders still has it on the shelf too. Bill On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Edmond wrote: > Anyone happen to know where I can find a copy of Kelly Johnson's Biography? > Can't seem to locate it anywhere! > Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:25:41 -0500 From: "Bill Bradford" Subject: Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book If that last book wasn't what you were looking for ("Skunk Works" is the title of Ben Rich's autobiography), this is Kelly's book: http://www.amazon.com/Kelly-More-Than-Share-All/dp/0874744911 Bill On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Edmond wrote: > Anyone happen to know where I can find a copy of Kelly Johnson's Biography? > Can't seem to locate it anywhere! > Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:27:23 +0100 From: "David" Subject: Re: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmond" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book > Anyone happen to know where I can find a copy of Kelly Johnson's > Biography? > Can't seem to locate it anywhere! > > Thanks! > http://www.amazon.com/Kelly-More-Than-Share-All/dp/0874744911 HTH David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:19:49 -0700 From: James Z Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V15 #19 Amazon list several as new and used, if this is the same book JAZU Kelly (Hardcover) by Clarence L."Kelly" Johnson (Author), Maggie Smith (Author) (4 customer reviews) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:53:29 -0500 > From: Edmond > Subject: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book > > Anyone happen to know where I can find a copy of Kelly Johnson's Biography? > Can't seem to locate it anywhere! > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------ > > End of skunk-works-digest V15 #19 > ********************************* > > To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: > > subscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". > If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is > coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address > to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": > > subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net > > To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: > > unsubscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body. > > Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent > to georgek@netwrx1.com. > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" > in the commands above with "skunk-works". > > Back issues are available for viewing by a www interface located at: > http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ > > If you have any questions or problems please contact me at: > > georgek@netwrx1.com > > Thanks, > > George R. Kasica > Listowner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:19:49 -0700 From: James Z Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V15 #19 Amazon list several as new and used, if this is the same book JAZU Kelly (Hardcover) by Clarence L."Kelly" Johnson (Author), Maggie Smith (Author) (4 customer reviews) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:53:29 -0500 > From: Edmond > Subject: skunk-works Kelly Johnson's Book > > Anyone happen to know where I can find a copy of Kelly Johnson's Biography? > Can't seem to locate it anywhere! > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------ > > End of skunk-works-digest V15 #19 > ********************************* > > To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: > > subscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". > If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is > coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address > to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": > > subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net > > To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: > > unsubscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body. > > Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent > to georgek@netwrx1.com. > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" > in the commands above with "skunk-works". > > Back issues are available for viewing by a www interface located at: > http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ > > If you have any questions or problems please contact me at: > > georgek@netwrx1.com > > Thanks, > > George R. Kasica > Listowner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:31:32 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow - -----Forwarded Message----- >Sent: Nov 7, 2008 12:46 AM >To: the-tlc-mission@nexus.net > >I'm a member of the Air Force RADAR Veterans organization. >USAFRadarSitesVeterans@yahoogroups.com < >USAFRadarSitesVeterans@yahoogroups.com> Digest #2791 Nov 4th, 2008 has a >posting from one of our members who provided a super SR-71 slide show. > >The link below will connect you with an amazing feat of American airpower - >the SR-71 Blackbird (aka "the sled"). I want to share some SEA mission info >with you, too. > >TACC-North Sector (MOTEL) was tasked with Flight Follow for all Special >Missions over North Vietnam (and as you will note ~ "nearby areas"). These >missions were the U-2 and the SR-71. > >The U-2 Dragon Lady was easy to follow because she was built to operate as a >high altitude glider with her huge wingspan and aerodynamics. She was also >at higher risk for the same reasons. > >Flying five times faster, the SR-71 put great demands on the MOTEL system >and operators. With an advertised speed of "Mach 3.2+" she was capable of >more than that depending on the needs of the mission (crew and >payload survival). Her ground speed was over 2,000 miles per hour. Bearing >in mind that specifics of "how we did" our flight follow was/is classified, >envision a monitor with digitized tracking and attached notations >(symbology) with ID, speed, altitude, and other data attached to each track. >As the aircraft crossed the screen (along with other USAF and Navy missions >in progress - CAP, recce, strike, etc) there would be a difference. F-4 and >A-4 and F-105 have a squiggly little "trail" of where they are and where >they've been for the last few minutes. > >The SR-71 was a piece of symbology attached to a dot! That's due to two >facts: the MOTEL computer was designed to "predict the next flight path >location" and speeds around Mach 3.2+ was pushing our envelope, and >"remembering" where that aircraft was only seconds ago was nearly impossible >- and to correlate the two locations in real time was pushing machine-human >limits. But it was done. And what a joy it was - to see the Blackbird >screaming across communist skies without a viable threat! > >Enjoy the show ~ http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm > >Willi Pete >Da Nang + Monkey Mountain >Korat EC-121D RIVET GYM Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:15:51 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Crashed Right In Front of Me - -----Forwarded Message----- >Sent: Nov 7, 2008 5:52 AM >To: the-tlc-mission@nexus.net > >True. I was a newbie to the AF. Had just finished tech school and was assigned as member of the Edwards AFB Crash Crew Truck. 10 Jan 1967. We'd sit and watch the end of the runway, just incase of an accident. > Within the first week I was sitting there, and watched a SR-71 accelerate down the runway. I didn't even know what it was. I thought it was an XB70, lol. It was a prototype anyhow, and It was never supposed to lift off. > My impression was that the throttle was stuck in the open position. The report I found today on internet mentioins anti skid brake test gone wrong. Either way, I saw a powerful, very secretive, majestic monster of an airplane that was in panic mode. > Tires screached trying to stop it. No luck for sure with that program. Tires explode, burn, start magnesium fire from wheels. The next thing I have never forgotten. As the plane goes off the end of the run way, running out of cement, the landing gear hits the sand and breaks into little pieces like match sticks breaking under the pressure. Fire's bigger now, as are my eyeballs. > As I have always remembered it was the pilot got the cockpit open and got out of aircraft and physically jumped onto the wing and landed on the desert floor and survived it. Maybe that part is a figment of my imagination, but I believe that happened that way. Anyway you slice it, I probably didn't evenknow what aircraft type it was, lol. But it did happen and I did see it and it was part of my introduction into the USAirForce. Don H. Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:01:50 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow - -----Forwarded Message----- > >I have a Blackbird story. While stationed at Osan on my last overseas tour, >I think that was 1980, the North Koreans fired at the SR-71 as it came in >for a landing on Okinawa. The SAM was close enough to concern the crew, but >it did miss, went off way behind and below the Blackbird. > >That weekend, President Reagan ordered all the AF bases in South Korea to >load up every aircraft that could physically carry weapons. At Osan that >meant OV-10s and F-4Es. I'd never seen such configurations on an F-4. We >even loaded one that didn't have a Fire Control Radar installed. Crews were >assigned and the non-selected crews were volunteering to fly the no-radar >bird. It might not be able to drop or fire its weapons, but it could serve >as a decoy for the birds that could. > >Then Reagan sent a message to North Korea; "We're coming back over your >country with the Blackbird. We'll be there at 0600 Zulu Monday, crossing >Pyongyang. If you fire at our plane again, our aircraft in South Korea will >destroy the source of the aggression, and maybe some other sites as well." > >The Blackbird flew as promised and the North Koreans kept their hands in >their pockets. I was 51st CRS Maintenance Supervisor on nights that >weekend. We felt very disappointed that we didn't launch against the North. > >Dan Decker, TSgt >USAF Retired >"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for Humanity." >"Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, because to a dragon, you are >crunchy and taste good with ketchup." >"The planes I fixed blew up the truck on the Ho Chi Minh Trail carrying the >bullet with your name on it." Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:07:04 +1100 From: miltech.fms Subject: Re: skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow 1.6 miles per second = 5760 mph at 82000ft thats Mach 8.7 (!!) or a re my numbers off?? gf 2008/11/9 Terry Colvin > -----Forwarded Message----- > >Sent: Nov 7, 2008 12:46 AM > >To: the-tlc-mission@nexus.net > > > >I'm a member of the Air Force RADAR Veterans organization. > >USAFRadarSitesVeterans@yahoogroups.com < > >USAFRadarSitesVeterans@yahoogroups.com> Digest #2791 Nov 4th, 2008 has a > >posting from one of our members who provided a super SR-71 slide show. > > > >The link below will connect you with an amazing feat of American airpower > - > >the SR-71 Blackbird (aka "the sled"). I want to share some SEA mission > info > >with you, too. > > > >TACC-North Sector (MOTEL) was tasked with Flight Follow for all Special > >Missions over North Vietnam (and as you will note ~ "nearby areas"). These > >missions were the U-2 and the SR-71. > > > >The U-2 Dragon Lady was easy to follow because she was built to operate as > a > >high altitude glider with her huge wingspan and aerodynamics. She was also > >at higher risk for the same reasons. > > > >Flying five times faster, the SR-71 put great demands on the MOTEL system > >and operators. With an advertised speed of "Mach 3.2+" she was capable of > >more than that depending on the needs of the mission (crew and > >payload survival). Her ground speed was over 2,000 miles per hour. Bearing > >in mind that specifics of "how we did" our flight follow was/is > classified, > >envision a monitor with digitized tracking and attached notations > >(symbology) with ID, speed, altitude, and other data attached to each > track. > >As the aircraft crossed the screen (along with other USAF and Navy > missions > >in progress - CAP, recce, strike, etc) there would be a difference. F-4 > and > >A-4 and F-105 have a squiggly little "trail" of where they are and where > >they've been for the last few minutes. > > > >The SR-71 was a piece of symbology attached to a dot! That's due to two > >facts: the MOTEL computer was designed to "predict the next flight path > >location" and speeds around Mach 3.2+ was pushing our envelope, and > >"remembering" where that aircraft was only seconds ago was nearly > impossible > >- and to correlate the two locations in real time was pushing > machine-human > >limits. But it was done. And what a joy it was - to see the Blackbird > >screaming across communist skies without a viable threat! > > > >Enjoy the show ~ http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm > > > >Willi Pete > >Da Nang + Monkey Mountain > >Korat EC-121D RIVET GYM > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > - -- Gary Fairlie FMS Military Technologies Box 5556 Hughes PO Hughes ACT 2605 Australia. Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document pending a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express permission of the original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:43:45 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow - -----Forwarded Message----- > >A little story about the Habu as it was called on Okie....we were sitting in >Thailand one day cpying the PRC SAM/AAA sites in Laos who in turn were >tracking the daily Habu over flight of SEA. The PRC ops protecting the road they >were building down through the middle of Laos over to the HCM Trail, were >obviously very confused as to what they were seeing and figured their scopes etc >were wrong...I think each site maybe got one or two plots out before the >thing was gone and normally we would copy about 40-50 plots from each site as a >plane went through...depending on what type of aircraft they were watching of >course. > >Anyway...these guys got their asses chewed out on the air by the political >commisar and it was really funny. Several threats were made as to what would >happen if the sites did not increase their vigilance and get the plots on the >Habu the next time it came through....I had vision of a whole SAM Battalion >picking cabbage or planting rice in the most inhospitable environs that the >PRC had......LOL > >Well, about two weeks later the same guys were apparently on duty as the >Habu began/ended its run and started back towards Okie.....We started copying >a ton of plots which was highly unusual in and of itself but we also noticed >that the time hack was off by about 5-10 minutes from what the guys in the SW >Center had on the Habu. But damn they were reading those things fast. > >Hmmmm really weird... and we reported it as normal. We were all a little >perplexed as it was way outside the normal occurrence. > >About 6 months later someone wearing funny green beanies must have done a >snatch and grab on a few of these guys from one of the AAA or SAM sites because >we got a report back indicating that those guys were so afraid of being >punished what they had done was gotten together and come up with an idea wherein >they used a grease pencil on the scope and basically just drew a line across >the scope and picked out 5-10 arbitrary plots and then read them off as fast >as hell and the next site down the road picked up the plotting from there and >did the same thing...and so on down the line until the Habu exited the ADIZ. > Hence the lateness of the tracking......We laughed our asses off....where >there is a will there is a way I guess. > >And that is my most memorable Habu story! > >Chuck > > >In a message dated 11/7/2008 12:13:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes: > >One night back in `74 while I was on the scope in Florida a Blackbird was >zooming by out over the water, about 2150mph and 110,000 feet high. It was >amazing to see this plane move that fast . He was only on the scope a few >minutes. Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:53:37 +1100 From: miltech.fms Subject: Re: skunk-works Fw: Re: [the-tlc-mission] SR-71 Blackbird Slideshow Terry, i seem to have missed this email in detail - can you resend please? gf > > > > >In a message dated 11/7/2008 12:13:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes: > > > >One night back in `74 while I was on the scope in Florida a Blackbird was > >zooming by out over the water, about 2150mph and 110,000 feet high. It > was > >amazing to see this plane move that fast . He was only on the scope a > few > >minutes. > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > - -- Gary Fairlie FMS Military Technologies Box 5556 Hughes PO Hughes ACT 2605 Australia. Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document pending a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express permission of the original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:29:47 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) Anyone out there have more leads on the alleged existence of the Aurora (SR-91), that is, beyond what is available at this Wikipedia article:? < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft > Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:46:15 -0800 From: Patrick Subject: Re: skunk-works U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) The "A" model was the technology demonstrator and it was destroyed after a mysterious in-flight emergency somewhere over the Western Pacific with the loss of the pilot. The Glomar Explorer was dispatched to retreive as much of it as could be found. They did determine the crash site but the remains lie at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Even the old Howard Hughes/CIA ship can't recover anything that deep. The "B" model was retired after a handful of operational missions. The concept was great on paper but in reality the aircraft was dispatched in anticipation of surprising the bad guys on the ground. In fact the plane was so efficient in launch and short flight times to target it invariable arrived on the scene too quickly and thus overflew its target before the expected event it was to observe had actually taken place. And of course you can't turn one of those things on a dime. So the rest of the missions imagery was only useful by the National Geographic magazine. This and the usual budget cuts that were necessary to fund future Tanker-X proposals and re-proposals doomed this hard to be believed aircraft from the future. Just when we got over the demise of the Sled, this happened. Fittingly the operational model was given a burial at sea. To rest safely from prying eyes along side its sister ship at the bottom of the ocean. Vaya con dios Aurora. Terry Colvin wrote: > Anyone out there have more leads on the alleged existence of the > Aurora (SR-91), that is, beyond what is available at this Wikipedia > article:? > > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft > > > Terry > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:30:13 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: Re: [U-Tapao] U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) - -----Forwarded Message----- > >--- In U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Tiedemann" > wrote: > >BB^\I would think what ever they could do using the SR-71 they can do >with a spy satellite.BB^] > > That'BB^Ys not quite true. IC"BB^Yve had access to a few programs that >had classified items, like at the time several T-72 main Soviet battle >tanks. The Chicken Little folks knew exactly when bad guy satellites >would be overhead and did noBB^Yt just know the schedule, they lived it. > And they let you know that if you did anything that revealed those >assets, you would become persona non grata very quickly. So >satellites are not the only requirement. > >But I do noBB^Yt think that a replacement for the SR-71 makes much sense, >either, unless as you say they decided they needed to maintain the R&D >capability. We developed the U-2, which has the capability to fly >very high, and when first utilized was nearly invulnerable. It had >cameras with state-of-the art optics and very fast film. When it hit >the ground, the film was very quickly removed and processed. Then we >had one shot down. > >The SR 71 has the advantage that it can fly high and fast. Not only >could it reduce the vulnerability with its speed, it could get the >film back faster. > >But now technology has changed the paradigm. Once on station the >images are beamed electronically at literal light speed with no >processing required, so you can do pretty much with a U-2 as you can >an SR. And it has been demonstrated that you cannoBB^Yt build a bird >that can fly so fast and so high that the sophisticated bad guys >canC"BB^Yt build a missile to bring it down. That'BB^Ys what ended the >XB-70 program. You can see a copy at the Wright-Patterson museum. >The end of that program was the birth of the stealth program, and now >we have what we call a stealth fighter and a stealth bomber. What we >really have is a small stealth bomber and a big stealth bomber, but I >won'BB^Yt quibble. > >The paradigm has shifted from high and supersonic to fairly fast, >present a low cross section, and get as low as you can. And go unmanned. > >Drones can stay on station for a long time, are much smaller to the >cross section is much lower than it would have to be as a manned >asset, and carry weapons to boot. They arenC"BB^Yt as fast as an SR but >they can be launched much closer and have lots of them in the air at >the same time. > >So between the three, satellite, U-2, and drone, I do not perceive >what hole an upgraded SR would close for us. I know we have heard >rumors about the aurora, but we heard rumors about WMD in Iraq, too. >I think that Saddam wanted us and his neighbors to believe he had >them. He may have even believed he had them. Somebody may want or >have wanted somebody else to believe we have the aurora, but I don'BB^Yt >think Obama really much cares. > >BTW, you mentioned the bone yard, and I talked about the museum at WP >AFB. I have a friend who works in the museum, and 6665 (OK, >technically 56-0665) is now on permanent display. He was able and >willing to unlock the old bird, and I got to take my father and my son >on a tour of a bird I personally used to crew. But when I first saw >it on display it was strange, in a way. Kind of like having a member >of a newer generation ask you C"BB^\Did you know that Paul McCartney was >in another band before he was in Wings?C"BB^] Would somebody hand me my >cane? I need to walk down to the drug store while I still can to get >some Geritol BB& > > _____ > >From: U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com [mailto:U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of don meurett >Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:45 AM >To: U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [U-Tapao] U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) > >I would think what ever they could do using the SR-71 they can do with >a spy satellite. > >On second thought They have to keep the aircraft manufactures going ( >Skunk Works ) so i am sure it is possible there is a replacement for >the SR-71 already flying. > >Remember the C117 was around a long time ( Years ) before the public >was told about its existence. > >Now they have actually put some F-117s in the bone yard. > >I have been close to one actually had a private tour of one in a >hanger at Randolph AFB Texas but never had the opportunity to refuel >one. Its a long story but working Mid Shift in POL gained you access >to areas that were off limits to the majority of people. > >On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM, R W Kolhouse < >bobandnoi@...> wrote: > >I only have an opinion Terry. I believe there is "something" flying >that has taken the SR-71's place. Retiring the '71 due to high cost >just never sat well with my observations. I can't imagine the >militaryand intelligence agencies going along with their retirement >like they did if there wasn't something else available. > >Bob K > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Terry Colvin >To: tlc-brotherhood@... >Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:29 AM >Subject: [U-Tapao] U-2, SR-71 and Aurora (SR-91) > >Anyone out there have more leads on the alleged existence of the >Aurora (SR-91), that is, beyond what is available at this Wikipedia >article:? > >< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_aircraft > > >Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:28:54 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Mildenhall SR71 - -----Forwarded Message----- > >This was sent by a friend of mine. You Air Force type might be interested. >In thirty years in the Army I kept on requesting assignments in the UK or >Japan. In 1972 I was offered an assignment at the Bangkok Property Disposal >Office. I took the assignment only to have those orders canceled and to be >assigned to Falls Church VA. After my retirement had been approved my >assignment officer called and said I could have gone to Japan but I knew two >others who turned the assignment down in lieu of retirement, so I was their >3rd choice. > >Chuck Rogers > ><> Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:36:10 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: Lockheed CEO Knew Of ET Visitors - -----Forwarded Message----- > >Source: The Examiner - Denver, Colorado, USA > > http://tinyurl.com/7zquey > >December 23 2008 > > >CEO Of NASA Contractor Lockheed Knew Of Extraterrestrial UFO Visitors >by Jeff Peckman > >Lockheed Skunk Works former CEO knew the Roswell extraterrestial >UFO influenced designs of Testor model kits for Roswell UFO >models, and U.S. top secret aircraft. According to a CNI News >report by Colorado resident Michael Lindemann, the design >information was derived from forensic illustrations and numerous >witness testimonies about the Roswell UFO, provided by William L. >'Bill' McDonald. > >In an e-mail, dated July 29, 1999, apparently addressed to >Lindemann, McDonald referenced an excerpt of a discussion with >Harold Puthoff, founder of the previously highly classified U.S. >"remote viewingB^T program. McDonald said: > >"Well Hal, you asked for it! Now that legendary Lockheed engineer >and chief model kit designer for the Testor Corporation, John >Andrews, is dead, I can announce that he personally confirmed the >design connection between the Roswell Spacecraft and the Lockheed >Martin Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs), spyplanes, Joint >Strike Fighters, and Space Shuttles. Andrews was a close >personal friend of "Skunk Works" CEO Ben Rich - the hand-picked >successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly Johnson and the man famous >for the F-117 Nighthawk "Stealth" fighter, its "half-pint" >prototype the "HAVE BLUE", and the top-secret F-19 Stealth >Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my >questions to him. > >Dr. Ben R. Rich confirmed: > >1. There are 2 types of UFOs - the ones we build and ones 'they' >build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me- >downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in >the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon >"purge", administration was handled by an international board of >directors in the private sectorB^E > >3. Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the >Roswell spacecraft - from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to >today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craftB^E > >7. It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told >[about ufos and extraterrestrials]. He believed they could not >handle the truth - ever. Only in the last months of his decline >did he begin to feel that the "international corporate board of >directors" dealing with the "Subject" could represent a bigger >problem to citizens' personal freedoms under the United States >Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves.B^T > >Lindemann added that "Bill McDonald received the above >information from Andrews from 1994 until their last phone call >near Christmas in 1998.B^T Lindemann also noted "It should also be >known that Dr. Ben R. Rich attended a public aerospace designers >and engineers conference in 1993 before his illness overwhelmed >him in which he stated - in the presence of MUFON Orange County >Section Director Jan Harzan and many others that B^V B^QWeB^R (i.e., >the U.S. aerospace community/military industrial complex) had in >it's possession the technology to "take us to the stars". > >See the complete letter from John Andrews: > >http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Andrews_03.doc > >and the hand written reply from Dr. Ben Rich. Hear more revealing >testimony from Disclosure Project whistleblowers. NASA can not >deny secrets discovered by UK hacker Gary McKinnon and many >astronauts if it expects full funding from the Obama White House >administration. Terry W. 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