From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Tue May 5 07:10:21 2009 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 06:08:35 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V16 #3 skunk-works-digest Tuesday, May 5 2009 Volume 16 : Number 003 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: The Road To Area 51 //U-2, SR-71 +// Re: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: The Road To Area 51 //U-2, SR-71 +// Re: skunk-works-digest V16 #2 Area 51 skunk-works New UAV? skunk-works Mystery object in China Re: skunk-works Mystery object in China Re: skunk-works Mystery object in China skunk-works AURORA / SENIOR CITIZEN skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: Fly On The Wall At Air Traffic Control skunk-works The Road to Area 51 *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:48:10 -0500 From: Jay Miller Subject: Re: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: The Road To Area 51 //U-2, SR-71 +// To all concerned, This little epistle is riddled with b.s. and assumptions and inaccuracies. Hardly a word of fact in any of it, including the claim that "Aurora" was the name of an aircraft program that existed four decades ago. It wasn't, it hasn't been, and it never will be. Take my word for it, or live with someone's delusions of grandeur - and lies. Jay Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:55:27 -0400 From: James Stevenson Subject: Re: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: The Road To Area 51 //U-2, SR-71 +// If you have time to answer this, you must have time to send me pictures. That way, I can enjoy Holland without spending any money. Jim On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Jay Miller wrote: > To all concerned, > > This little epistle is riddled with b.s. and assumptions and > inaccuracies. Hardly a word of fact in any of it, including the > claim that "Aurora" was the name of an aircraft program that existed > four decades ago. It wasn't, it hasn't been, and it never will be. > > Take my word for it, or live with someone's delusions of grandeur - > and lies. > > Jay Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:39:46 -0700 From: James Z Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V16 #2 Area 51 On 4/10/09 7:52 AM, "skunk-works-digest" wrote: > From: "John Szalay" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:07 PM > Subject: skunk-works Interesting article link Skunkworks related.. > > >> http://www.latimes.com/features/la-mag-april052009-backstory,0,229178,print.s >> tory > > Thanks for the link to the very interesting article John. it's always great > to hear > directly from these remarkable people who were involved in the making of > aerospace history. > It's also good to know there's life in the SW list yet! > > However, I really don't understand the intro - or maybe I'm missing > something. It says: > > "Area 51. It's the most famous military institution in the world that > doesn't officially exist. If it > did, it would be found about 100 miles outside Las Vegas in Nevada's high > desert, tucked > between an Air Force base and an abandoned nuclear testing ground. Then > again, maybe not > - - the U.S. government refuses to say...." I have a five year old letter from an air force public affairs person stating that neither the US Air Force nor the DoD operate any facility known as Area 51. But I also have copy of a document from the Department of Energy that lists the telephone number (blacked out) for the commanding officer of Area 51. While on the subject, I had a friend who was taking pictures of the warning signs when the bus with the covered windows drove out followed by a car with four people in it and they waved to him as they drove past. He said it almost surreal. James Zuchelli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Allen Thomson Subject: skunk-works New UAV? http://www.shephard.co.uk/news/2393/mystery-uav-operating-in-afghanistan/ Mystery UAV operating in Afghanistan By Darren Lake, Editor - Unmanned Vehicles April 10, 2009 Afghanistan maybe the testing ground for a new, advanced but as yet undisclosed UCAV programme. Pictures shown exclusively to Unmanned Vehicles magazine and taken at an airbase in the war-torn country reveal a large flying wing-type design, adopted by UCAV designers, but not yet seen on an operational type. The image shown in the link below has been drawn directly from the photograph but none of the experts consulted by UV had any concrete idea of what the system might be. The image shown to UV was taken from a long distance, as the aircraft taxied in on a hazy day, but the image was clear enough to show that this UAVb^Ys design is like no other UAV in current operational service. Amongst the distinctive features of the type is the b^Xfatb^Y wing chord, and a large central fuselage fairing. The aircraft engine nozzle is the same half moon shape as the Lockheed P175 Pole Cat, but the wing is not cranked on its trailing edge like the Pole Cat is. The fuselage fairing could support a large squared off intake, but is more likely to house a large satellite communications and sensor mix. Two large blisters either side of the central fairing are likely to the intakes for a single turbofan engine. These features probably wonb^Yt help the aircraftb^Ys radar cross-section, although this probably isnb^Yt important considering the theatre of operations in which it is flying. The large doors inboard of the main landing gear may be bomb bay doors, indicating a strike capability for the type. There are clearly the technological capabilities to build something like this inside Northrop Grumman, Boeing or Lockheed Martin. Looking at the shaping, our analyst said he would be inclined to think this comes from either Northrop or Lockheed. The shaping is also suggestive of UCAV concepts around the start of the 2000s.There is a whole raft of wing design work that has gone on since 2002 in terms of how the X-47B has evolved, and the sorts of designs that Boeing was working with prior to the ending of that effort. An artistb^Ys impression of the aircraft can be viewed by clicking here [http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu344/shepgroup/UAV/MysteryUAV.jpg]. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Allen Thomson Subject: skunk-works Mystery object in China This probably has nothing to do with skunky things, but I thought someone here might be able to help. In April-May of 2005, Google Earth shows the Chinese built a strange pattern on the ground at 40.45 N, 93.74 E. Judging from other facilities in the neighborhood, I currently think it's a target for missiles, probably ballistic ones. But if it is, why the weird appearance? Perhaps something having to do with a scene-matching MaRV??? Or is it something else entirely? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:25:01 -0400 From: "John Szalay" Subject: Re: skunk-works Mystery object in China - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Allen Thomson" Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:15 PM To: "Skunk Works" Subject: skunk-works Mystery object in China > This probably has nothing to do with skunky things, but I thought someone > here might be able to help. > > In April-May of 2005, Google Earth shows the Chinese built a strange > pattern on the ground at 40.45 N, 93.74 E. Judging from other facilities > in the neighborhood, I currently think it's a target for missiles, > probably ballistic ones. > > But if it is, why the weird appearance? Perhaps something having to do > with a scene-matching MaRV??? > > Or is it something else entirely? FWIW: There is another similar pattern to the west, that has this attached http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1160052&site_id=1#import And that links to this report.. http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0857631 the western area also shows what appears to be signs of erosion over the lines and what I take to be impact craters, in patterns OR those could be large rocks.. Who knows ? Curious ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Allen Thomson Subject: Re: skunk-works Mystery object in China > the western area also shows what appears to be signs of > erosion over the lines and what I take to be impact craters, > in patterns OR those could be > large rocks.. Who knows ? I'm not sure about the big pattern, but there are other apparent targets in the area that have no-doubt-about-it craters. As well as faux buildings that have holes in them or have been knocked apart. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works AURORA / SENIOR CITIZEN AURORA / SENIOR CITIZEN Reports of plans for a high-performance piloted replacement for the SR-71 date back more than a decade. In 1979 it was reported that a:<41> "... Mach 4, 200,000-ft.-altitude aircraft that could be a follow-on to the Lockheed SR-71 strategic reconnaissance vehicle in the 1990s has been defined by the Air Force Aeronautical Systems Division and Lockheed." As previously noted, reports of the existence of a successor to the SR-71 surfaced repeatedly during the debate over termination of the SR-71. Subsequent observations of mysterious aerial phenomena have been connected with the 1988 reports that Aurora was a Mach 6 stealthy reconnaissance aircraft that was being developed to replace the SR-71.<42> more at URL: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/aurora.htm Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: UFO UpDate: Fly On The Wall At Air Traffic Control - -----Forwarded Message----- > >[Non-Subscriber Post] > >I am writing to submit a post from my blog for possible mention >on the UFO Updates list. > >I know some of your List's members have an interest in aviation >(Mr. Ledger and Mr. Lehmberg), so I thought it might be useful >to them. > >The post is the introduction to a project I've been working on >that provides those interested with a fairly convenient way to >consistently record and archive broadcasts received by aviation- >band scanners. Such a record could be useful when investigating >sighting reports, at least that is the idea. > >----- > >Source: NYC Jeff's Yet Another UFO Blog > > http://yaufob.wordpress.com/ > >April 9, 2009 > > >Fly On The Wall At Air Traffic Control > >I'm taking a post here to describe a project that I've been >working on that I hope contributes to ufology in a small way, >and attempts to do some pushing of X. In this case, I'm trying >to improve the quality of data, Q in my X function: > > http://yaufob.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/jeffs-roadmap/ > >[Image: "Desktop for ATCMP featuring alien tux] > >I often hear about UFO sightings that are in some way related to >aviation. Perhaps a commercial pilot saw something and asked air >traffic control to verify it on their radar (Japan Airlines). >Maybe something was floating near an airport (O'hare and Phoenix >Lights). Or maybe military jets were scrambled to an area where >a sighting had been made (Stephenville). In any case, it would >be nice to have a convenient record of what was being said by >air traffic control around that time. The ATCMP is an attempt at >developing that sort of record. > >The ATCMP uses off the shelf aviation-band radio scanners >(provided by end user), combined with older-generation computers >and open-source software to create a personal air traffic audio >archive station. The project is designed to take the audio from >the scanner and save it to the computer's hard drive. At the end >of the week, it burns all the saved sessions to a blank DVD, and >starts over again.The benefit is that you have an ongoing record >of conversations in a convenient audio form that can later be >referenced in the event of potential sightings, all with minimal >effort needed from the operator. > >Although anyone can download and implement the software, I >envision it as being most useful to groups like MUFON and >NARCAP. MUFON has a network of field investigators spread across >the country, and could potentially have a station set up near >every significant airport in the United States. NARCAP is geared >more towards people with aviation expeirence and who would >likely be familiar with aviation communications. > >[Image: "My recording setup"] > >I attempt to orient my projects in a way that is consistent with >my outline of progress in ufology. I give an outline here. I >believe this project increases X, by improving the Q factor, or >quality of data available to investigators. I include control of >data in my broad definition of data quality. > >Anyone who has followed the UFO phenomenon knows there is a >cyclical pattern to significant sightings. It usually starts out >with a sighting made by a number of people, with at least some >of them making reports. This is followed by a flurry of semi- >serious media coverage, which is inevitably followed by less >than serious media coverage. This is normally enough to get it >off the front pages, and out of the public's mind. Perhaps its >media manipulation by the dark forces of the world, or maybe >that's just how the modern news cycle goes, but either way, it >is often difficult to complete an investigation by the time >James McGaha or Seth Shostack gets on Larry King's show. In the >event that there was some interaction with the commercial >aviation, having access to the tower conversations could make it >easier to verify facts provided by other witnesses, quickly, and >without having to file a FOIA request. > >I also think I am able to increase the D factor a bit with this >project. D is for Dispersion of experience. ATCMP uses the Puppy >Linux operating system as a base. I'm becoming a bigger fan of >Linux in general, but really couldn't have done this without >Linux, and in this case Puppy. Using Linux should really lower >the cost for someone to implenent a recording station, allowing >more people to participate. > >If you are curious to try the project, click on B^SATCMPB^T at the >upper right corner of this page. You will find a link where you >can download the .iso file, as well as the instruction sets for >the overall project and the installation. Since this is very >new, I am especially interested in getting feedback from people >who have attempted it regarding its ease of use and the clarity >of the instructions. > > >More on Linux if you're interested > >There are several factors that really made Puppy Linux a natural >choice for this project. > >First and foremost, the whole thing needed to be inexpensive, so >that it could be implemented on a wide scale. If we're going >cheap, that will impose some other obstacles. One of the easiest >ways to get a cheap computer, is to get an older computer. I've >picked up several junked machines off the sidewalk for free, but >have also paid for some from craigslist and ebay. > >Second is software size. If we're going cheap and old, the >machines we are working with may not have the most robust specs. >Keeping the software small helps ensure that the machine will be >able to keep up with the demands. This adapted version of Puppy >is only 130 Mb, so it should run fairly easily on most machines >(your results may vary). > >Finally, we need reproducibility. Old machines are going to be >plagued with old machine problems. The last machine you threw >out probably couldn't open its browser because it was clogged >full of bloatware, spyware, and viruses, so its going to be >difficult to ensure that the ATCMP would function smoothly on >it. Using puppy helps get around that by providing a fresh >operating system (Linux ala Puppy), as well as the scripts, >programs, and files needed to do the recording. Puppy also >allowed me to roll up the operating system as well as the >scripts into an easy package by remastering the original Puppy >4.12 distribution. > >Trying to do this with Microsoft products would have been very >difficult. Widnows XP might work for this, but it would >significantly up the price and probably strain the machine. I >could have gone with an older OS, but where am I going to get >licenses for versions of Windows 2000 to work on the old >hardware. > >In the end, Puppy fit the bill for all my needs. But there is >also a lot of other things on that disk. Its got some office >suite programs, a chat client, a wiki, a torrent client. Really >you should check out puppylinux.com and puppylinux.org to get >the scoop. Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works The Road to Area 51 http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-mag-april052009-backstory,0,5104077.s tory The Road to Area 51 Backstory After decades of denying the facility's existence, five former insiders speak out by Annie Jacobsen Area 51. It's the most famous military institution in the world that doesn't officially exist. If it did, it would be found about 100 miles outside Las Vegas in Nevada's high desert, tucked between an Air Force base and an abandoned nuclear testing ground. Then again, maybe notb^T the U.S. government refuses to say. You can't drive anywhere close to it, and until recently, the airspace overhead was restrictedb^Tall the way to outer space. Any mention of Area 51 gets redacted from official documents, even those that have been declassified for decades. It has become the holy grail for conspiracy theorists, with UFOlogists positing that the Pentagon reverse engineers flying saucers and keeps extraterrestrial beings stored in freezers. Urban legend has it that Area 51 is connected by underground tunnels and trains to other secret facilities around the country. In 2001, Katie Couric told Today Show audiences that 7 percent of Americans doubt the moon landing happenedb^Tthat it was staged in the Nevada desert. Millions of X-Files fans believe the truth may be "out there," but more likely it's concealed inside Area 51's Strangelove-esque hangarsb^Tbuildings that, though confirmed by Google Earth, the government refuses to acknowledge. The problem is the myths of Area 51 are hard to dispute if no one can speak on the record about what actually happened there. Well, now, for the first time, someone is ready to talkb^Tin fact, five men are, and their stories rival the most outrageous of rumors. Colonel Hugh "Slip" Slater, 87, was commander of the Area 51 base in the 1960s. Edward Lovick, 90, featured in "What Plane?" in LA's March issue, spent three decades radar testing some of the world's most famous aircraft (including the U-2, the A-12 OXCART and the F-117). Kenneth Collins, 80, a CIA experimental test pilot, was given the silver star. Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, was an Area 51 special-projects engineer. And Harry Martin, 77, was one of the men in charge of the base's half-million-gallon monthly supply of spy-plane fuels. Here are a few of their best storiesb^Tfor the record: On May 24, 1963, Collins flew out of Area 51's restricted airspace in a top-secret spy plane code-named OXCART, built by Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. He was flying over Utah when the aircraft pitched, flipped and headed toward a crash. He ejected into a field of weeds. Almost 46 years later, in late fall of 2008, sitting in a coffee shop in the San Fernando Valley, Collins remembers that day with the kind of clarity the threat of a national security breach evokes: "Three guys came driving toward me in a pickup. I saw they had the aircraft canopy in the back. They offered to take me to my plane." Until that moment, no civilian without a top-secret security clearance had ever laid eyes on the airplane Collins was flying. "I told them not to go near the aircraft. I said it had a nuclear weapon on-board." The story fit right into the Cold War backdrop of the day, as many atomic tests took place in Nevada. Spooked, the men drove Collins to the local highway patrol. The CIA disguised the accident as involving a generic Air Force plane, the F-105, which is how the event is still listed in official records. As for the guys who picked him up, they were tracked down and told to sign national security nondisclosures. As part of Collins' own debriefing, the CIA asked the decorated pilot to take truth serum. "They wanted to see if there was anything I'd for-gotten about the events leading up to the crash." The Sodium Pento-thal experience went without a hitchb^Texcept for the reaction of his wife, Jane. "Late Sunday, three CIA agents brought me home. One drove my car; the other two carried me inside and laid me down on the couch. I was loopy from the drugs. They handed Jane the car keys and left without saying a word." The only conclusion she could draw was that her husband had gone out and gotten drunk. "Boy, was she mad," says Collins with a chuckle. At the time of Collins' accident, CIA pilots had been flying spy planes in and out of Area 51 for eight years, with the express mission of providing the intelligence to prevent nuclear war. Aerial reconnaissance was a major part of the CIA's preemptive efforts, while the rest of America built bomb shelters and hoped for the best. "It wasn't always called Area 51," says Lovick, the physicist who developed stealth technology. His boss, legendary aircraft designer Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson, called the place Paradise Ranch to entice men to leave their families and "rough it" out in the Nevada desert in the name of science and the fight against the evil empire. "Test pilot Tony LeVier found the place by flying over it," says Lovick. "It was a lake bed called Groom Lake, selected for testing because it was flat and far from anything. It was kept secret because the CIA tested U-2s there." When Frances Gary Powers was shot down over Sverdlovsk, Russia, in 1960, the U-2 program lost its cover. But the CIA already had Lovick and some 200 scientists, engineers and pilots working at Area 51 on the A-12 OXCART, which would outfox Soviet radar using height, stealth and speed. Col. Slater was in the outfit of six pilots who flew OXCART missions during the Vietnam War. Over a Cuban meat and cheese sandwich at the Bahama Breeze restaurant off the Las Vegas Strip, he says, "I was recruited for the Area after working with the CIA's classified Black Cat Squadron, which flew U-2 missions over denied territory in Mainland China. After that, I was told, 'You should come out to Nevada and work on something interesting we're doing out there.' " Even though Slater considers himself a fighter pilot at heartb^The flew 84 missions in World War IIb^Tthe opportunity to work at Area 51 was impossible to pass up. "When I learned about this Mach-3 aircraft called OXCART, it was completely intriguing to meb^Tthis idea of flying three times the speed of sound! No one knew a thing about the program. I asked my wife, Barbara, if she wanted to move to Las Vegas, and she said yes. And I said, 'You won't see me but on the weekends,' and she said, 'That's fine!' " At this recollection, Slater laughs heartily. Barbara, dining with us, laughs as well. The two, married for 63 years, are rarely apart today. "We couldn't have told you any of this a year ago," Slater says. "Now we can't tell it to you fast enough." That is because in 2007, the CIA began declassifying the 50-year-old OXCART program. Today, there's a scramble for eyewitnesses to fill in the information gaps. Only a few of the original players are left. Two more of them join me and the Slaters for lunch: Barnes, formerly an Area 51 special-projects engineer, with his wife, Doris; and Martin, one of those overseeing the OXCART's specially mixed jet fuel (regular fuel explodes at extreme height, temperature and speed), with his wife, Mary. Because the men were sworn to secrecy for so many decades, their wives still get a kick out of hearing the secret tales. Barnes was married at 17 (Doris was 16). To support his wife, he became an electronics wizard, buying broken television sets, fixing them up and reselling them for five times the original price. He went from living in bitter poverty on a Texas Panhandle ranch with no electricity to buying his new bride a dream home before he was old enough to vote. As a soldier in the Korean War, Barnes demonstrated an uncanny aptitude for radar and Nike missile systems, which made him a prime target for recruitment by the CIAb^Twhich indeed happened when he was 22. By 30, he was handling nuclear secrets. "The agency located each guy at the top of a certain field and put us together for the programs at Area 51," says Barnes. As a security precaution, he couldn't reveal his birth nameb^The went by the moniker Thunder. Coworkers traveled in separate cars, helicopters and airplanes. Barnes and his group kept to themselves, even in the mess hall. "Our special-projects group was the most classified team since the Manhattan Project," he says. Harry Martin's specialty was fuel. Handpicked by the CIA from the Air Force, he underwent rigorous psychological and physical tests to see if he was up for the job. When he passed, the CIA moved his family to Nevada. Because OXCART had to refuel frequently, the CIA kept supplies at secret facilities around the globe. Martin often traveled to these bases for quality-control checks. He tells of preparing for a top-secret mission from Area 51 to Thule, Greenland. "My wife took one look at me in these arctic boots and this big hooded coat, and she knew not to ask where I was going." So, what of those urban legendsb^Tthe UFOs studied in secret, the underground tunnels connecting clandestine facilities? For decades, the men at Area 51 thought they'd take their secrets to the grave. At the height of the Cold War, they cultivated anonymity while pursuing some of the country's most covert projects. Conspiracy theories were left to popular imagination. But in talking with Collins, Lovick, Slater, Barnes and Martin, it is clear that much of the folklore was spun from threads of fact. As for the myths of reverse engineering of flying saucers, Barnes offers some insight: "We did reverse engineer a lot of foreign technology, including the Soviet MiG fighter jet out at the Area"b^Teven though the MiG wasn't shaped like a flying saucer. As for the underground-tunnel talk, that, too, was born of truth. Barnes worked on a nuclear-rocket program called Project NERVA, inside underground chambers at Jackass Flats, in Area 51's backyard. "Three test-cell facilities were connected by railroad, but everything else was underground," he says. And the quintessential Area 51 conspiracyb^Tthat the Pentagon keeps captured alien spacecraft there, which they fly around in restricted airspace? Turns out that one's pretty easy to debunk. The shape of OXCART was unprece-dented, with its wide, disk-like fuselage designed to carry vast quantities of fuel. Commercial pilots cruising over Nevada at dusk would look up and see the bottom of OXCART whiz by at 2,000-plus mph. The aircraft's tita-nium body, moving as fast as a bullet, would reflect the sun's rays in a way that could make anyone think, UFO. In all, 2,850 OXCART test flights were flown out of Area 51 while Slater was in charge. "That's a lot of UFO sightings!" Slater adds. Commercial pilots would report them to the FAA, and "when they'd land in California, they'd be met by FBI agents who'd make them sign nondisclosure forms." But not everyone kept quiet, hence the birth of Area 51's UFO lore. The sightings incited uproar in Nevada and the surrounding areas and forced the Air Force to open Project BLUE BOOK to log each claim. Since only a few Air Force officials were cleared for OXCART (even though it was a joint CIA/USAF project), many UFO sightings raised internal military alarms. Some generals believed the Russians might be sending stealth craft over American skies to incite paranoia and create widespread panic of alien invasion. Today, BLUE BOOK findings are housed in 37 cubic feet of case files at the National Archivesb^T 74,000 pages of reports. A keyword search brings up no mention of the top-secret OXCART or Area 51. Project BLUE BOOK was shut down in 1969b^Tmore than a year after OXCART was retired. But what continues at America's most clandestine military facility could take another 40 years to disclose. ANNIE JACOBSEN is an investigative reporter who sat for more than 500 interviews after she broke the story on terrorists probing commercial airliners. When she isnb^Yt digging into intelligence issues for the likes of the National Review, sheb^Ys snapping together Legos with her two boys. Terry W. 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