From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Mon Oct 12 10:52:49 2009 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:52:03 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V16 #6 skunk-works-digest Monday, October 12 2009 Volume 16 : Number 006 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** Re: skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) skunk-works Area 51 goes public at museum event Re: [SPAM] skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) Re: [SPAM] skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) skunk-works Re: [U-Tapao] Ride in a U-2 spy plane video skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" Re: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" RE: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" RE: skunk-works Area 51 goes public at museum event skunk-works P-47: Michael Swords's Big Study *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Ault Subject: Re: skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) That's kind of the way I look at it, also. JJ - --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Terry Colvin wrote: From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) To: "tlc-brotherhood@nexus.net" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:51 PM [forteana] AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) Date: Sep 10, 2009 6:06 PM >Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) > Posted by: "Robert Schneck" > Date: Tue Sep 8, 2009 6:41 pm ((PDT)) >On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Ray D wrote: >> What - years ago? And over Belgium? Over city centers? >Why not? Development could take years. We now know there was a >program to develop roughly rectangular airships that have three >circles on the bottom. The original sightings could have been >prototypes and the whole project might have been closed down and >revived many times. As for Belgium and city centers, no idea, but >spaceships seems less likely then terrestrial ones. I must differ. I have always found it highly improbable that the USA would abandon the high ground of space to the extent that their astronauts have to hitch a ride on Soyuz flights - unless they had something above top secret on the production line. We are not talking here about blimps, but about Westworld's first real spaceship - a rocket-powered >Mach 6 aircraft triangular in shape and with no ceiling. http://wave.prohosting.com/aurora85/technical/specs.html Aurora Specifications This is a archive of all collected data that gives a good idea of how Aurora could work and its specs if it actually existed... Speed: Maximum operational speeds are reported to be in the range of Mach 5-8. Length: About 110 feet (33.5 meters) Wingspan: About 60 feet (18.2 meters) Ceiling: May have an operational altitude of 150,000 feet (28.4 miles) or higher. Design: The Aurora aircraft has an airframe like a flattened American football, about 110 ft long and 60 ft wide, smoothly contoured, and covered in ceramic tiles similar to those used on the Space Shuttle which seem to be coated with "a crystalline patina indicative of sustained exposure to high temperature ... a burnt carbon odor exudes from the surface." Engine: Several witnesses have heard a distinctive low frequency rumble followed by a very loud roar, which could be the exotic engine used by a Mach 6 (4,400 miles per hour) aircraft. Experts say a methane-burning combined cycle ramjet engine (uniting rocket and ramjet designs) could have been developed to power Aurora. Observers in California have also reported seeing a large aircraft with a delta-wing shape and foreplanes. Some think this could be an airborne launch platform for satellite-delivery rockets or even the Aurora, before its more advanced engines were developed. Power comes from conventional jet engines in the lower fuselage, fed by inlet ducts which open in the tiled surface. Once at supersonic speed, the engines are shut down, and Pulse Detonation Wave Engines take over, ejecting liquid methane or liquid hydrogen onto the fuselage, where the fuel mist is ignited, possibly by surface heating. A vast amount of rumours, conjecture, eye-witness sightings and other evidence point to an aircraft, funded as a Black Project, built by the Lockheed Skunk Works, operating out of the Groom Lake / Area 51 location. Always at night, never photographed, officially denied... This is the Aurora Project. No matter what speculation takes place, it seems the secrets that lie beyond the mountains of the Nevada desert will remain until the US military decides otherwise. Power Plant: At subsonic speeds power comes from conventional jet engines in the lower fuselage, fed by inlet ducts which open in the tiled surface. Once at supersonic speed, there are three possibilities for the propulsion that carries the plane up to its mach 5+ speed: * PWDE (Pulse Detonation Wave Engines) - Essentially, liquid methane or liquid hydrogen is ejected onto the fuselage, where the fuel mist is ignited, possibly by surface heating. The PDE Pulse Detonation Engine (PDE) operates by creating a liquid hydrogen detonation inside a specially designed chamber when the aircraft is traveling beyond the speed of sound. When traveling at such speeds, a thrust wall (the aircraft is traveling so fast that a molecules in the air are rapidly pushed aside near the nose of the aircraft which in essence becomes a wall)is created in the front of the aircraft. When the detonation takes place, the the aircraft's thrust wall is pushed forward. This all is repeated to propel the aircraft.. From the ground, the jet stream looks like "rings on a rope". Another reader thinks this method is very suspicious. He goes on "a serious problem with the SR-71 and other high-speed aircraft is excessive skin heating. The last thing you want is to add combustion at or near the surface." Please click HERE for our page about PDWE's. * Ramjet - A reader points out that there is "a second possible power plant design, the Combined Cycle Ramjet Engine. Essentially, it is a rocket until it goes supersonic. At that point the rocket nozzles are withdrawn and the engines run as ramjets up to Mach 4-6. With a few minor modifications to the shape of the combustion housing, you could soup the power plant up to a scramjet, which could see speeds up to and beyond Mach 8. The fuel for this power plant could be liquid methane or methylcyclohexane, plus liquid oxygen as an oxidizer in the primary 'rocket' stage. Further data on this power plant is available through Popular Science Magazine, March 1993 issue. "However another reader feels that a ramjet is not a possible propulsion source because "the National Aerospace Plane (NASP) was cancelled in large part due to the inability to solve the materials problems with the proposed supersonic ramjets. I don't think there has been enough progress, even in the black world to solve these problems. Further, RAMJET doesn't leave doughnuts on a rope." * Regular Pulsejet - Pulsejets uses the forward speed of the engine and the inlet shape to compress the incoming air, then shutters at the inlet close while fuel is ignited in the combustion chamber and the pressure of the expanding gases force the jet forward. The shutters open and the process repeats itself at a high frequency. This results in the buzzing drone for which the pulsejet missile is named: the buzzbomb. A reader points out that "pulsejets can be cooled to solve the materials problems of supersonic ramjets. They could also generate doughnuts on a rope although this is speculation as I am unaware of any previous actual tests at high altitude." Please click HERE for our page about pulsejets. * Turbo Rocket Jet - An AAP reader named Daniel Murray gave us this possible description and image of another propultion method. This is a conceptional drawing of AURORA's engines. Although many of us Area 51 enthusiast believe that the AURORA'S engines are Ramjets or Pulse Detonation Wave Engines but I have reasons to believe otherwise. There is a new hype in the engine business. Cost effective, multi purpose engines. An engine that can fly in the atmosphere as well in space while being completely reusable (or like a conventional jet which doesn't need its engines replaced every flight). The TRJ or Turbo Rocket Jet engine uses an internal rocket motor (Hydrogen and Oxygen fueled). The elongated combustion chamber allows a set of turbine blades which turn the power shaft. The power shaft runs the length of the engine from tip to tail. The fan and compressor blades are powered by the rockets turbines. The compressors compress the incoming air into a shaft were the fuel injectors and ignition nodes are located. The fuel is mixed with the air (like a conventional jet engine) and then is ignited by a high amp and voltage electrical arc that fires from one side of the shaft to the opposite. The evenly ignited mixture allows for better fuel economy. The ignited and expanded gases rush out of the shaft to an afterburner, and then are released out of the end of the engine. The great thing about this engine is that it can be partially shut down (the fan and compression blades) and used only on the rocket engines power. Also the Jet engine part of the engine can turn over the power shaft by itself. So for only low powered flights or descends the engine's rocket motor does not need to be initiated. The jet engine section will use regular jet fuel, or even hydrogen. Hydrogen will most likely be used, because then the'll be no separate fuel tanks. The drawing I have included is conceptional only and may have few parts that differ slightly from the actual engine. Armament: Although it has been rumored that the Aurora is equipped with the capability of carrying air-to-ground armaments, it is unlikely that the aircraft is designed for, or able to, support armaments. It is likely the plane is equipped for reconnaissance only. There has been some debate about this though, as there was a Phoenix Air to Air missile that was designed to be carried in the F-12 (Basically a later interceptor version of the SR-71). This missile can only be carried by the F-12, the F-111 and the F-14 Tomcat. This missile might also be usable on the Aurora. Mission: High-altitude, high-speed, short-notice reconnaissance. Contractor: It is rumored that the Aurora was designed and built by Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co., the same company who built the SR-71. The SR-71 has served as one of the only aircraft capable of performing a mobile reconnaissance mission. Although satellites are useful in this role, the SR-71 had the advantage of going wherever and whenever an "eye-in-the-sky" is needed. In spite of this funding for the SR-71 program was canceled in 1989 and SR-71 flights ceased. Given the importance of the role of the SR-71, and the fact that it is the only plane capable of performing that role, it has been suggested that government must have some secret aircraft that was capable of replacing the SR-71. According to Richard H. Graham, Col., USAF in his book SR-71 Revealed, "in 1990, Senator Byrd and other influential members of congress were told a successor to the SR-71 was being developed and that was why it was being retired. The "Aurora" could be this plane. This argument is weakened by the fact that in 1995, Congress approved $100 million to bring the SR-71's back into service. One argument is that the Aurora was abandoned, either due to expense or technical difficulties, and that the SR-71 had to be brought back to resume its mobile surveillance role. Legacy: The Aurora's background comes from the hypersonic research of the 1960s, including the X-15, XB-70, SR-71, and high-speed aircraft testing in the deserts of southern California. Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:44:03 -0400 From: xelex@aol.com Subject: skunk-works Area 51 goes public at museum event On Wednesday, October 7th, and Thursday, October 8th,B the Atomic Testing Museum and Roadrunners Internationale will separate the myths from the realities of Area 51 through a special presentation: SPY PLANES OF GROOM LAKE (AREA 51). The Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas, Nevada, is partnering with Roadrunners Internationale, an alumni organization for Groom Lake workers, to provide first-time public access to former U.S. Air Force, CIA, and contractor personnel who worked on some of the nationb^Ys most closely guarded Cold War projects under a strict blanket of secrecy. This is an opportunity for the public to learn the history of the secret Groom Lake test site and the role it played during the Cold War, and to discuss newly declassified details about cutting edge technologies with the people who developed them. Lectures and moderated discussion panels will include former and current CIA staff, military commanders, historians, and other notable individuals. There will be opportunities both days for the public to b^\meet and greetb^] former Area 51 test pilots, engineers, and technicians and ask them questions. A temporary exhibit will feature actual Area 51 artifacts, memorabilia, and photos. Events on Wednesday will include presentations on the history of Area 51 and Project OXCART by historian Peter Merlin, followed by a panel discussion with people who actually worked at the secret Groom Lake test site. Moderated by KLAS Channel 8 investigative reporter George Knapp, this panel will feature CIA Hist orian Dr. David Robarge and former pilots and engineers from Area 51. On Thursday, historian Paul Suhler will give an in-depth presentation on CIA projects Rainbow and Gusto and the design evolution of the triple-sonic A-12 spy plane, followed by a discussion panel of former Groom Lake pilots, staff, and technicians moderated by author Annie Jacobson. Admission is $10 per person and FREE for Museum members. Museum admission is just an additional $5 for those attending this event. Books and souvenirs will be available for purchase at the Museum gift shop and from representatives of the CIA employee store. B Details What: SPY PLANES OF GROOM LAKE (AREA 51) When: Wednesday, October 7: Meet and Greet 10am-5pm. Area 51 historical overview by aerospace historian, Peter Merlin at 2pm. Project Oxcart history presentation by Peter Merlin at 4pm. Area 51 Panel Discussion, moderated by George Knapp at 6pm-8pm. Thursday, October 8: Meet and Greet 10am-3pm. Archangel (A-1 through A-12) development history lecture by author, Paul Suhler at 11am. Area 51 Panel Discussion moderated by author, Annie Jacobson, 1pm-3pm. Where:B B Atomic Testing Museum, 755 E. Flamingo Road, Las Vegas, NV 89119. The Atomic Testing Museum is open 7 days a week, Monday b^S Saturday 10 am to 5pm and Sunday 12 p.m. to 5 p.m.B B Last tickets are sold at 4:30p.m. to20allow time to tour the Museum. The Atomic Testing Museum is located at 755 E. Flamingo Rd., between Paradise Rd. and Swenson St., on the south side of the=2 0street. There is ample parking and the museum is ADA accessible. For more information please call (702) 794-5151. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:38:05 -0700 From: Patrick Subject: Re: [SPAM] skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) Terry Colvin wrote: > Armament: > Although it has been rumored that the Aurora is equipped with the capability of carrying air-to-ground armaments, it is unlikely that the aircraft is designed for, or able to, support armaments. It is likely the plane is equipped for reconnaissance only. > > There has been some debate about this though, as there was a Phoenix Air to Air missile that was designed to be carried in the F-12 (Basically a later interceptor version of the SR-71). This missile can only be carried by the F-12, the F-111 and the F-14 Tomcat. This missile might also be usable on the Aurora. > I read in an article, maybe Popular Mechanics, not sure, that they were also developing a tanker version of the Aurora. The theory being that this would obviate the need for any additional support facilities being required outside of the CONUS. As with all the other advanced technology required, they had perfected an inflight refueling method where a hypersonic friendly aerodynamic fuel nozzle was able to release a highly compressed, pure stream of fuel that the following aircraft simply sucked out of the atmosphere with its negative pressure refueling port while flying in the tankers slipstream. The beauty of this system is it could refuel without the use of any transfer systems actually connecting the two vehicles thus allowing refueling to be done while still maintaining Mach 5 or 6. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:10:59 -0500 From: Jay Miller Subject: Re: [SPAM] skunk-works AURORA was Re: Flying Triangle (sort of) All B.S. - including the Pop Science article. Jay Miller ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Re: [U-Tapao] Ride in a U-2 spy plane video Fwd: Re: [U-Tapao] Ride in a U-2 spy plane video Date: Sep 13, 2009 11:05 AM - --- In U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com, Pete Hollis wrote: Thanks John, I worked PSD (U-2) at Davis-Monthan 72-76, Beale U-2/SR-71, 76-83, Edwards (Palmdale) SR-71 Flight Test, 83-86, RAF Alconbury (TR-1) 90-93. Lots of TDYs in-between to wherever the U-2/SR-71 went. I spent around 12 months just in Okinawa TDY. We had a Coates working in PSD for a short time..Life Support Tech. No idea where he went. I don't think he was with us more then a few months. I'm sure we must have crossed paths at some point but as you know there were a lot of us that were geographically separated..not much interface. Pete Hollis Lacey, WA On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:31 PM, John Coates wrote: > Pete, > > I worked in the Avionics AMS shop at Beale, Okinawa, Osan, Diago Garcia > and others off and on between 1971 - 1982 with mixed tours to Thailand. > Retired from the USAF in 1991 after 24 years. Spent the next 17 years > working on the International Space Station. > > --- On *Sat, 9/12/09, Pete Hollis * wrote: > > > From: Pete Hollis > Subject: Re: [U-Tapao] Ride in a U-2 spy plane video > To: U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 10:28 AM > > > What shop did you work in John? I worked in PSD. > > Pete Hollis > Lacey, WA > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:28 AM, John Coates <@...> > > wrote: >> >> >> Thank you so very much for this video link. I worked on the U2s and >> SR71s all over the world as part of the 9th SRW and have never seen video >> like this. It is truly a small world that we live in and we need to >> remember how fragile that thin blue line is between earth and space. >> >> --- On *Sat, 9/12/09, Terry Colvin wrote: >> >> From: Terry Colvin >> > >> Subject: [U-Tapao] Ride in a U-2 spy plane video >> To: "tlc-brotherhood@ nexus.net" >> >> > >> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 5:53 AM >> >> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:38:14 -0400 >> From: "John Szalay" <> >> Subject: skunk-works Ride in a U-2 spy plane video >> >> Take an emotional ride in this YouTube video. >> James May is best known as the host of Top Gear. He's used to trying out >> the >> latest high-performance cars >> . But he recently took a ride in a U-2 spy plane. >> >> http://videos. komando.com/ 2009/08/15/ to-the-edge- of-space/ Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:26:27 -0700 From: "Paul A. Suhler" Subject: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" Hi, everyone. I thought that some of the folks here might be interested in my book, which AIAA is publishing at the end of the month. It's the story of early work in stealth and how it influenced the design of the Blackbird. I was able to interview many of the Lockheed and Lincoln Lab/SEI folks, and even Bob Widmer (Kelly Johnson's counterpart at Convair) and Leo Geary. There are previously unpublished drawings and photos, including Lockheed's four subsonic stealthy designs from 1957, the two major versions of FISH, desk models of five Kingfish designs, the Navy inflatable aircraft designs, Lockheed's versions of FISH, and all but two of Lockheed's Archangel series. There are also lots of Kelly Johnson's rough sketches. And, of course, it covers the evolution of various RCS reduction techniques. Finally, AIAA will be putting on line my collection of declassified documents, although not the drawings and photos. http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1789 And many thanks to Jay Miller for his help, encouragement, and friendship during the many years that it took to bring this project to fruition. Cheers, Paul =============== Paul A. Suhler suhler@ieee.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:05:14 -0500 From: Jay Miller Subject: Re: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" Paul, Congrats, ol' man! Look forward to seeing the book in due course. I'll probably buy several to pass around to a select few friends! Hope all is well! Jay [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type multipart/appledouble] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:28:17 -0700 From: "Smith, Larry O" Subject: RE: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" Sounds Great!! Congrats on the publication!! Looking forward to it. ... "desk models of five Kingfish designs" ... WOW! I HAVE to see those!! I recall talking to Bob Widmer many years ago, where he indicated stuff like that was confiscated long ago by the customer from the Convair/GD vault they had it stored in. Did he ever tell you what FISH stood for? He told me it was an acronym and made me try to guess. I never got it. However, I liked this one I came up with: "F...ing Incredible Super Hustler". Bob thought it was pretty good too. He laughed. But it wasn't correct. :) Congrats again! Once it's published and we can all see it, perhaps we should start a discussion thread. Regards, Larry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com] On Behalf Of Paul A. Suhler Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:26 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works "From RAINBOW to GUSTO: Stealth and the Design of the Lockheed Blackbird" Hi, everyone. I thought that some of the folks here might be interested in my book, which AIAA is publishing at the end of the month. It's the story of early work in stealth and how it influenced the design of the Blackbird. I was able to interview many of the Lockheed and Lincoln Lab/SEI folks, and even Bob Widmer (Kelly Johnson's counterpart at Convair) and Leo Geary. There are previously unpublished drawings and photos, including Lockheed's four subsonic stealthy designs from 1957, the two major versions of FISH, desk models of five Kingfish designs, the Navy inflatable aircraft designs, Lockheed's versions of FISH, and all but two of Lockheed's Archangel series. There are also lots of Kelly Johnson's rough sketches. And, of course, it covers the evolution of various RCS reduction techniques. Finally, AIAA will be putting on line my collection of declassified documents, although not the drawings and photos. http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1789 And many thanks to Jay Miller for his help, encouragement, and friendship during the many years that it took to bring this project to fruition. Cheers, Paul =============== Paul A. Suhler suhler@ieee.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:41:11 -0700 From: "Smith, Larry O" Subject: RE: skunk-works Area 51 goes public at museum event Any chance this will be recorded and later sold online or whatever? Larry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com [mailto:owner-skunk-works@netwrx1.com] On Behalf Of xelex@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:44 AM To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works Area 51 goes public at museum event On Wednesday, October 7th, and Thursday, October 8th,B the Atomic Testing Museum and Roadrunners Internationale will separate the myths from the realities of Area 51 through a special presentation: SPY PLANES OF GROOM LAKE (AREA 51). The Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas, Nevada, is partnering with Roadrunners Internationale, an alumni organization for Groom Lake workers, to provide first-time public access to former U.S. Air Force, CIA, and contractor personnel who worked on some of the nationb^Ys most closely guarded Cold War projects under a strict blanket of secrecy. This is an opportunity for the public to learn the history of the secret Groom Lake test site and the role it played during the Cold War, and to discuss newly declassified details about cutting edge technologies with the people who developed them. Lectures and moderated discussion panels will include former and current CIA staff, military commanders, historians, and other notable individuals. There will be opportunities both days for the public to b^\meet and greetb^] former Area 51 test pilots, engineers, and technicians and ask them questions. A temporary exhibit will feature actual Area 51 artifacts, memorabilia, and photos. Events on Wednesday will include presentations on the history of Area 51 and Project OXCART by historian Peter Merlin, followed by a panel discussion with people who actually worked at the secret Groom Lake test site. Moderated by KLAS Channel 8 investigative reporter George Knapp, this panel will feature CIA Hist orian Dr. David Robarge and former pilots and engineers from Area 51. On Thursday, historian Paul Suhler will give an in-depth presentation on CIA projects Rainbow and Gusto and the design evolution of the triple-sonic A-12 spy plane, followed by a discussion panel of former Groom Lake pilots, staff, and technicians moderated by author Annie Jacobson. Admission is $10 per person and FREE for Museum members. Museum admission is just an additional $5 for those attending this event. Books and souvenirs will be available for purchase at the Museum gift shop and from representatives of the CIA employee store. B Details What: SPY PLANES OF GROOM LAKE (AREA 51) When: Wednesday, October 7: Meet and Greet 10am-5pm. Area 51 historical overview by aerospace historian, Peter Merlin at 2pm. Project Oxcart history presentation by Peter Merlin at 4pm. Area 51 Panel Discussion, moderated by George Knapp at 6pm-8pm. Thursday, October 8: Meet and Greet 10am-3pm. Archangel (A-1 through A-12) development history lecture by author, Paul Suhler at 11am. Area 51 Panel Discussion moderated by author, Annie Jacobson, 1pm-3pm. Where:B B Atomic Testing Museum, 755 E. Flamingo Road, Las Vegas, NV 89119. The Atomic Testing Museum is open 7 days a week, Monday b^S Saturday 10 am to 5pm and Sunday 12 p.m. to 5 p.m.B B Last tickets are sold at 4:30p.m. to20allow time to tour the Museum. The Atomic Testing Museum is located at 755 E. Flamingo Rd., between Paradise Rd. and Swenson St., on the south side of the=2 0street. There is ample parking and the museum is ADA accessible. For more information please call (702) 794-5151. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works P-47: Michael Swords's Big Study Man, I thought Michael Swords was dead. I must have mixed him up with another person in Michigan. His blog is worth reading, covers a lot of Fortean areas, and what is "Live Bookmarks"? Terry UFO UpDate: P-47: Michael Swords's Big Study Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:31 AM From: Jerome Clark To: project-1947@listserv.aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:42:03 -0400 Subject: Michael Swords's Big Study For those of you who may be interested, not long ago Michael Swords started a blog, called The Big Study, on which he expresses his thoughts about UFOs, anomalies generally, and their relationship to science. Dr. Swords is as informed, original, and provocative a thinker about these matters as anybody. As a fellow CUFOS board member, I treasure the mind-stretching conversations I've had with him over the table in Chicago. His blog gives me access to that excellent mind pretty much daily - a real treat. http://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/ Jerry Clark Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ End of skunk-works-digest V16 #6 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". 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