From owner-skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Wed Sep 8 15:23:08 2010 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:22:06 -0500 From: skunk-works-digest Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.com To: skunk-works-digest@netwrx1.com Subject: skunk-works-digest V16 #8 skunk-works-digest Wednesday, September 8 2010 Volume 16 : Number 008 Index of this digest by subject: *************************************************** skunk-works Fw: Per Chance skunk-works *A Search for Anomalies* skunk-works Fw: Reviews of 3 books about COMINT skunk-works Re: (forteana) *A Search for Anomalies* [none] [none] skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Happy Birthday to U-2 skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Fwd: [af_chilings] an event at the International Spy Museum Re: skunk-works-digest V16 #7 *************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:20:12 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: Per Chance Ah, quite good tongue-in-cheek statistical studies and of interest to Forteans. Terry - -----Forwarded Message----- From: greg bart Sent: Apr 13, 2010 1:48 AM To: skeptic@lists.johnshopkins.edu Subject: Per Chance - --- On Tue, 4/6/10, J. Laurie Snell wrote: From: J. Laurie Snell Subject: Chance News 62 To: CHANCE@LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 6:41 AM Dear Chance News readers: Chance News 62 is completed and available for review here: http://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php/Chance_News_62 Please make new submissions to Chance News 63 which is available here: http://www.causeweb.org/wiki/chance/index.php/Chance_News_63 Thank you, Laurie Snell & Bill Peterson Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works *A Search for Anomalies* Friday evening, 1 May, I called William R. Corliss in Maryland from my home in Thailand. After discussing his latest newsletter dealing mostly with oil and coal anomalies, I asked him if he could cite one article or source laying out his collection methods, publishing venues, and overall 'Fortean' philosophy. He told me of an article he published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, "A Search for Anomalies", in 2002. See: http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_16_3_corliss.pdf I asked him his age (83) and if he still enjoyed collecting and publishing these anomalies. He said he would until his last breath or if he was overwhelmed by graduations and marriages of his grandchildren. He mentioned serving with the Navy Seabees in the Philippines in 1945. I thanked him for his service. Here is a little background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Corliss He publishes a separate bimonthly newsletter besides his Science Frontiers. It is Anomaly Register and 16 pages. If anyone is interested I will call Mr. Corliss again and get cost details. Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Fw: Reviews of 3 books about COMINT Three book reviews received as a private e-mail which I am forwarding to those few who might have an interest in these topics. Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Book Review-"Attack on the USS Liberty".pdf] [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Book Review-"Deciphering the Rising Sun".pdf] [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Book Review-"The Secret Sentry; The Untold Story of the NSA".pdf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:16:17 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: Terry Colvin Subject: skunk-works Re: (forteana) *A Search for Anomalies* Here is the straight poop on *Anomaly Register* taken from Corliss' *Science Frontiers Book Supplement* No. 184, Jul-Aug 2009. It is lengthy but worth the effort of typing in, and I quote: QUOTE "ANOMALY REGISTER. A massive developing compendium of definitive descriptions of roughly 10,000 scientific anomalies and related '"provocative"' phenomena. This serial is issued bimonthly. Each issue is 16 pages long, with ample illustrations. Our prototype is the book (listed above) SCIENTIFIC ANOMALIES AND OTHER PROVOCATIVE PHENOMENA. This 300-page book is an *annotated list* of about 6,000 items then on file. In ANOMALY REGISTER, we add 4,000 new files to the 6,000 entries; plus more details, specific examples, illustrations, and back all with selected references from the science literature. ANOMALY REGISTER is designed to portray the *scope* of the anomaly universe. Our other serial, SCIENCE FRONTIERS, is aimed at the best of many anomalies in the *current* scientific journals and magazines we survey. The 22 CATALOGS listed above are reserved for *detailed* examples of anomalies, their histories, interpretations, and the many thousands of pertinent references presently in our files. In its first year, ANOMALY REGISTER (AR#1-#6) registered 835 items, with 200 illustrations. All summarized in 96 8x11 unbound pages which you can punch for a loose-leaf collection or otherwise bind as you wish. You'll never find all this information arranged logically, on the web---even with [the] best search engine. SUBSCRIPTION PRICES Four our second year, beginning with the August 2009 issue (AR#7-AR#12): subscriptions are: $18 (in U.S.); $20 (in Canada); $26 (overseas) All by airmail. Always available: first-year issues (AR#1-AR#6): $16 (in U.S.); where we can we save postage by mailing all 6 issues at the same time. Canadian and overseas customers should treat AR#1-AR#6 (96 pages long) as a book. (Refer to Order Blank for postage estimates). We will send Credit memos for any overpayment. ORDER FROM: The Sourcebook Project P.O. Box 107 Glen Arm, MD 21057 METHODS OF PAYMENT: All prices are in U.S. dollars. For Canadian dollars, UK pounds, Euros, use current exchange rates. ACCEPTED FOREIGN CHECKS: Canadian (*including* postal money orders) must be in Canadian $, UK checks in pounds; these must be drawn on Canadian and UK banks and made out to William R. Corliss. Euro checks not accepted yet. ACCEPTED CURRENCIES: US, Canadian, UK, Euros. (Registered mail recommended) Please jot down the names and addresses of persons who might like to receive [a] free copy of *Science Frontiers*." END QUOTE Corliss does not use e-mail or facsimile (FAX). A friend provides him a web presence. The primary portal is: < http://www.science-frontiers.com/ >. The Science Frontiers bimonthly newsletters on-line link is: < http://www.science-frontiers.com/sfonline.htm >. This will allow you to browse and see his older issues. The ANOMALY REGISTER follows a similar format to SCIENCE FRONTIERS; however, much more detailed. For example, Anomaly register #9 (January 2010) devoted ten pages to oil and coal anomalies. Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 06:01:12 +0000 From: wayne binkley Subject: [none] http://fotoceramika.btx.pl/home.php _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID2832 6::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 06:44:44 +0000 From: wayne binkley Subject: [none] http://monsiteperso.ovh.org/home.php _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:21:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Happy Birthday to U-2 -----Forwarded Message----- From: Sent: Aug 1, 2010 9:14 PM To: tlc-brotherhood@nexus.net Subject: [tlc-brotherhood] Happy Birthday to U-2 http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/08/happy-birthday-u-2.html "The Lockheed U-2 Dragon Lady today celebrates the 55th anniversary of its official first flight. History buffs will recall..." Terry W. Colvin North Las Vegas, 7 June to 10 August 2010 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:54:49 +0700 (GMT+07:00) From: "Terry W. Colvin" Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Fwd: [af_chilings] an event at the International Spy Museum -----Forwarded Message----- From: Chuck Sent: Aug 17, 2010 12:53 AM To: tlc-brotherhood@nexus.net Subject: [tlc-brotherhood] Fwd: [af_chilings] an event at the International Spy Museum Anyone interested???? Sent: 8/16/2010 10:23:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: [af_chilings] an event at the International Spy Museum FYI: Subject: Oxcart - an event at the International Spy Museum Thursday, 23 September 2010, 6:30 pm - Washington, DC - The A-12 Oxcart - an event at the International Spy Museum "Forty-five years ago.a group of young Air Force pilots volunteered to be 'sheepdipped' from the Air Force to the CIA to fly an unidentified aircraft at an undisclosed venue to replace the U-2." -Frank Murray, A-12 pilot The Air Force's high-flying SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft, which literally flew faster than a speeding bullet, is legendary. Much less well known is the CIA's version, the A-12, which first flew two years before the SR-71 under the OXCART program. Built by Lockheed's famous "Skunk Works," the plane was an engineering marvel. It made repeated flights over Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War, providing photographs to commanders in less than 24 hours from the end of a mission. In 1968, in a ten minute mission that photographed all of North Korea without being detected, an A-12 located the captured American spy ship, Pueblo. Only recently has the veil of secrecy been lifted from this amazing aircraft, allowing the full story to be told, including its enduring legacy. Now the program's pioneers gather to share its history: from sky-high successes to fiery crashes. CIA chief historian David Robarge will be joined by program veterans Robert B. Abernethy, inventor of the J-58 engines used in the A-12, Thornton D. Barnes, hypersonic flight specialist, and AFIO's President S. Eugene Poteat, the CIA officer who assessed threats to the A-12, and others. Kenneth Collins, an A-12 pilot who flew six missions over Vietnam, will also tell his story, along with other test pilots. Tickets: $12.50 per person Register www.spymuseum.org http://www.spymuseum.org Luther http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ldeese/ The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can't agree on whose fairy tales to believe. -Ed Krebs, photographer (b. 1951) __._,_.___[IMAGE] Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:21:16 -0700 From: James Z Subject: Re: skunk-works-digest V16 #7 I haven seen anything here since march 22, is the list still alive?? Are there no more lights in the night sky to thrill or scare ?? James Zuchelli On 3/22/10 7:50 AM, "skunk-works-digest" wrote: > > skunk-works-digest Monday, March 22 2010 Volume 16 : Number 007 > > > > Index of this digest by subject: > *************************************************** > skunk-works joining the list > skunk-works ABCCC - Airborne Battlefield Command and Control Center [new subj] > skunk-works Fw: *What was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?* > skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Fw: Model Airplane RC SCR-71 > skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] U-2 to continue > skunk-works ABCCC > skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] U-2 Dragon Lady > skunk-works The Air Force versus Hollywood > skunk-works Ride in a U-2 > skunk-works Re: Ride in a U-2 > skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] U-2 and predator sensors for Haiti? > skunk-works Skunkworks - Legacy of the Secret Heroes > skunk-works U2 Article in the NY Times > *************************************************** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:53:20 +1100 > From: "miltech.fms" > Subject: skunk-works joining the list > > Terry. > > I have an ex USN colleague who wants to joing the mailing list but > I've lost the details on doing so. can you please send me the correct > syntax etc for him to use? > > regards > > gary > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:43:13 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works ABCCC - Airborne Battlefield Command and Control Center > [new subj] > > Check out TLCB member Ray Roddy's book CIRCLES IN THE SKY, THE SECRET WAR IN > SOUTHEAST ASIA A COMMAND AND CONTROL PERSPECTIVE > > http://www.abtriplec.com/ > > Mac > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Steve Littlefield > wrote: > > I have found over time that almost everyone confuses the "King" aircraft > with our ABCCC. I guess because none ever heard of us..ABCCC, unless they > flew... > I finagles a flight with King one time..Interesting how they ran a SAR > compared with us...It seemed kike the co-pilot held a plastic board with some > info on it..But then again, I guess > that's what we did, our board was just bigger!!'' > Take care guys, > Steve > > Steve Littlefield > 7th Airborne Command and Control Squadron > Korat RTAFB 72-73 > Thailand-Laos-Cambodian Brotherhood Member #P711 > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, 'Doc' Wagner wrote: > > > From: 'Doc' Wagner > Subject: Re: [the-tlc-mission] O-1 and O-2 FAC Videos > > To: the-tlc-mission@nexus.net > Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 3:48 PM > > > Enjoyed these, Gerry. The A-V guys obviously didn't ask an SEA for > advice before including an HC-130 in the clip with an FRS on the nose. > > The narrator says O-1 sorties were 2-3 hours. Can't comment on that, > but our O-2 sorties out of Ubon were rarely less than 4 hours. We'd be on > trail watch for two hours, but took us an hour each way to most target areas > in Steel Tiger. I carried an 8mm movie camera on several F-4D & O-2 sorties, > but monsoon water damage turned 'em into green mold. > > 'Doc' Wagner > 8th TFW > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:10:12 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Fw: *What was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?* > > - -----Forwarded Message----- >> From: Terry Colvin >> Sent: Jan 6, 2010 2:33 AM >> To: "U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com" , Skeptic >> >> Subject: *What was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?* >> >> [the-tlc-mission] "What was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?" >> Date: Jan 5, 2010 5:52 PM >> From an old friend of mine. >> >> Bob Harris >> NKP 66 to 67 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Fred Zimmerman >> "what was the slowest you ever flew the Blackbird?" >> >> >> As related by a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote >> speaker... >> Brian Shul, Retired SR-71 Pilot via Plane and Pilot >> Magazine | Brian Shul, Retired SR-71 Pilot >> >> As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote >> speaker, the question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 >> fly?" I can be assured of hearing that question several times at any event >> I >> attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's proclivity for >> speed, but there really isnt one number to give, as the jet would always >> give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was common to see 35 >> miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number on most missions, >> and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we never let it run out to >> any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each SR-71 pilot had his own >> individual high speed that he saw at some point on some mission. I saw >> mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two missiles my way, and max power was >> in >> order. Lets just say that the plane truly loved speed and effortlessly >> took >> us to Mach numbers we hadn't previously seen. >> So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of >> my presentations, someone asked, what was the slowest you ever flew the >> Blackbird? This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was reminded >> of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the following. >> I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England, >> with my back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over >> Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission from >> home >> base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we learned that a >> small >> RAF base in the English countryside had requested an SR-71 fly-past. The >> air >> cadet commander there was a former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would >> be >> a motivating moment for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a >> low >> approach. No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial >> refueling >> over the North Sea, we proceeded to find the small airfield. >> Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation >> equipment >> in the back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to >> subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a slight >> haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we were looking for >> had a small tower and little surrounding infrastructure. Walter told me we >> were close and that I should be able to see the field, but I saw nothing. >> Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a little >> lower, >> and I pulled the throttles back from 325 knots we were at. With the gear >> up, >> anything under 275 was just uncomfortable. Walt said we were practically >> over the field yet; there was nothing in my windscreen. I banked the jet >> and >> started a gentle circling maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that >> looked like a field. Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the >> cadets up on the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the >> fly-past. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray >> overcast. >> Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be below us >> but in the overcast and haze, I couldn't see it. The longer we continued >> to >> peer out the window and circle, the slower we got. With our power back, >> the >> awaiting cadets heard nothing. I must have had good instructors in my >> flying >> career, as something told me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed >> the airspeed indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my >> adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At this >> point >> we werent really flying, but were falling in a slight bank. Just at the >> moment that both afterburners lit with a thunderous roar of flame (and >> what >> a joyous feeling that was) the aircraft fell into full view of the shocked >> observers on the tower. Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they >> now >> had 107 feet of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled >> and accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer >> than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort of >> ultimate knife-edge pass. >> Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back >> to >> Mildenhall without incident. We didnt say a word for those next 14 >> minutes. >> After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he was >> reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands and said the >> commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71 fly-past he had ever >> seen, >> especially how we had surprised them with such a precise maneuver that >> could >> only be described as breathtaking. He said that some of the cadets hats >> were blown off and the sight of the plan form of the plane in full >> afterburner dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I >> both understood the concept of breathtaking very well that morning, and >> sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low approach. >> As we retired to the equipment room to change from space >> suits to flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn't spoken a word since the >> pass. Finally, Walter looked at me and said, One hundred fifty-six knots. >> What did you see? Trying to find my voice, I stammered, One hundred >> fifty-two. We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, "Don't ever do >> that to me again!" And I never did. >> A year later, Walter and I were having lunch in the >> Mildenhall Officers club, and overheard an officer talking to some cadets >> about an SR-71 fly-past that he had seen one day. Of course, by now the >> story included kids falling off the tower and screaming as the heat of the >> jet singed their eyebrows. Noticing our HABU patches, as we stood there >> with >> lunch trays in our hands, he asked us to verify to the cadets that such a >> thing had occurred. Walt just shook his head and said, "It was probably >> just >> a routine low approach; theyre pretty impressive in that plane". >> Impressive >> indeed. >> Little did I realize after relaying this experience to >> my >> audience that day that it would become one of the most popular and most >> requested stories. Its ironic that people are interested in how slow the >> worlds fastest jet can fly. Regardless of your speed, however, its always >> a good idea to keep that cross-check upand keep your Mach up, too. > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:28:13 +0700 (GMT+07:00) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] Fw: Model Airplane RC SCR-71 > > - -----Forwarded Message----- >> >> Just got this from one of my old Pilots from England(HH-43's) >> Bill Jaynes >> >> This might be one of the coolest things I've seen this year. >> >> This is a most amazing Remote Controlled >> [RC] model airplane - click link below to see it fly. Not only did they >> build its jet engines, but included retractable landing gear, and built it >> into a fully scaled model of the SR-71 that is good enough to fly. This >> SR-71 model was built by some German RC enthusiasts, and this is one nifty >> toy - and sounds REAL! > > http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=4464984 > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:43:31 +0700 (GMT+07:00) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] U-2 to continue > > - -----Forwarded Message----- > > This sounds like the old AF I knew. > > > Still on Fire: > he Air Force's fleet of high-flying U-2 Dragon Lady > reconnaissance aircraft has proved to be such an invaluable tool in > fighting the counterinsurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq that there is no > rush to retire these venerable Cold War platforms until their successors, > RQ-4 Global Hawk unmanned aircraft, are firmly in place with no drop off > in capability. Stars and Stripes reported > Wednesday that U-2s now give direct tactical support to ground troops, > delivering battlefield pictures and eavesdropping electronically, two > missions no single unmanned platform can pull off today. While a later > Global Hawk variant, the Block 30, is designed to do both, it is > just entering the > inventory and needs to be retrofitted with its SIGINT package. These > Global Hawks are scheduled to arrive in the war zone next year. Once they > have proved themselves in this role, > thenB- and only thenB- will U-2s be phased out. > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:11:42 +0000 > From: wayne binkley > Subject: skunk-works ABCCC > > RE: ABCCC article in recent post. I admit i didn't read every thing on every > page but I could find no mention of air crews from CCK AB Taiwan, yet I > personally flew quite a few of these mission and it was a regular thing for > My Sqd,the 345 TAS. I remember staying on station even thou we lost 1 engine ( > no problem if you have burnt off enough fuel) from a tactical air lifter point > of view I must say it was the longest most boring 13 hr flights I ever flew. > The T/O was another story the only good thing about it was we quickly ran out > of the max flying time allowed on a monthly or quarterly basis although a > quick visit to the Flight Surgeon would get you a waiver. We could listen to > some of the radio traffic but never had the "big picture" so didn't really > know what was going on. We new the job was important but the front end crew > was looked at basically as airborne bus drivers an didn't seem to get any > respect,just bitched at once in a while so we new who was really in command > of the airframe. the pilot could abort the mission only if it was unsafe ( in > his opinion) to continue and after checking with higher authority, or just do > it if he felt it was necessary. I also think we operated at higher T/O weights > than mentioned in the article, but I will be 70 this month so I could be > wrong. Normal max T/O weight,155,00 lbs,EWP 175,000 lbs ,I believe that I once > took off at 183,000 lbs,very scary because the acft would not climb and you > had to skim the trees at the end of the runway,without much of a climb while > slowly "milking" the flaps up hoping and praying that you didn't have an > engine failure before reaching 3 engine minimum control speed. If you did > your only option was to crash land dead ahead,if it was an outboard. you would > have no choice but to pull the symmetrical eng back to where the rudder > could maintain straight ahead but you could not maintain level flight at that > weight.Of course we raised the gear just as soon as we had a positive rate of > climb. As we gradually gained airspeed we could make very small rate turns but > as we came back parallel ( downwind)we would still only be at a few hundred > feet,still trying to get airspeed to start a very slow climb and burning off a > lot of fuel with the rate of climb just barely 100 FPM. I sometimes wondered > if the back end crew realized how dangerous these heavy weight T/Os were at > that temp..Just the way i remember it a long time ago. Feel free to fwd/post > this where you want to as I am sure other's might have different > recollections.Wayne D. Binkley Tsgt USAF (Ret.),C-130 F/E > > wayne d.binkley > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:47:07 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Fw: [the-tlc-mission] U-2 Dragon Lady > > - -----Forwarded Message----- > > From: Bob Wheatley > Sent: Jan 13, 2010 6:27 AM > To: the-tlc-mission@nexus.net > Subject: [the-tlc-mission] U-2 Dragon Lady > > For you U-2 buffs. > > http://www.military.com/news/article/air-force-delays-retiring-u2-spy-plane.ht > ml?ESRC=airforce.nl > Bob Wheatley > Air Force Lingy > Sergeant, USAF Security Service > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:04:57 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works The Air Force versus Hollywood > > http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb304/index.htm > > The Air Force versus Hollywood > > Documentary on "SAC Command Post" Tried to Rebut "Dr. Strangelove" and "Fail > Safe" > > Cold War Documentaries Present the Air Force's Spin on Airborne Alert, the > "Missile Gap," and Nuclear Command and Control; Films Premiered On-line in the > National Security Archive's Nuclear Vault > > Edited by William Burr > > Underground Command Post at Strategic Air Command Headquarters, Offutt Air > Force Base. Still taken from Air Force Special Film Project 1236, "SAC Command > Post" > > Washington, D.C., January 15, 2010 - To refute early 1960s novels and > Hollywood films like Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove which raised questions > about U.S. control over nuclear weapons, the Air Force produced a documentary > film--"SAC [Strategic Air Command] Command Post"--to demonstrate its > responsiveness to presidential command and its tight control over nuclear > weapons. > > ...much more at URL... > > Terry > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:18:59 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Ride in a U-2 > > Ride in a U-2: > > http://www.wimp.com/breathtakingfootage/ > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:50:18 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Re: Ride in a U-2 > > Re: Ride in a U-2 > Date: Jan 19, 2010 7:39 AM > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Terry Colvin wrote: >> Ride in a U-2: >> >> http://www.wimp.com/breathtakingfootage/ > > This is an excerpt from two BBC specials which were broadcast in > conjunction with the anniversary of the first Moon landing: "James May > on the Moon", and "James May at the Edge of Space". Basically, "Edge > of Space" (which, IIRC, aired on BBC 4) is the last half hour or so of > "on the Moon" (which aired on BBC 2 about an hour or so before "Edge > of Space" aired on BBC 4). > > FWIW, I forwarded a different link to this (or a closely related) > video clip a few months or so ago. :-) Not that I mind seeing it > again. > > BBC America ran "James May on the Moon" here in the former colonies > back in November of last year (along with a number of other "moon > landing" themed specials), and anyone who's interested in seeing the > whole thing but missed it (or doesn't have BBC America available) can > grab it on video via BitTorrent. > > Cheers, > > LRC > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:25:32 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Fw: [tlc-brotherhood] U-2 and predator sensors for Haiti? > > - -----Forwarded Message----- > > From: Eugene Rossel > Sent: Jan 26, 2010 2:17 AM > To: TLC-BROTHERHOOD@nexus.net > Subject: [tlc-brotherhood] U-2 and predator sensors for Haiti? > > Good story on hour modern technology for war can be used for peace > time efforts. > > U- 2 Flights Likely Over Haiti; Predator May Go > > U- 2 Flights Likely Over Haiti; Predator May Go > By Colin Clark - Posted in Air, Intelligence, International , Land, > Naval, Policy > > The Pentagon will probably send the U- 2 to Haiti so its unique > multi- spectral imagery capabilities can be put to use spotting > breaks in water and gas lines, chemical spills and similar problems. > > B^SMy expectation is that we hope to get that deployed soon,B^T Col. > Bradley Butz, vice commander of the Air ForceB^Rs 480th Intelligence, > Surveillance and Reconnaissance Wing at Langley Air Force Base, Va., > told reporters this morning. > > The U- 2 contains unique multi- spectral imagery equipment (the > seven- band SYERS 2) that Global Hawk and Predator donB^Rt possess. > Butz said the multi- spectral tools would provide useful information > about breaks in water and gas lines, as well as chemical spills. > > Butz also said they may deploy Predator to Haiti but the Air Force is > still looking at just what it would add to the sensor mix. > > Meanwhile, a Global Hawk has already flown over Haiti, for 14 hours > yesterday and it should do 16 hours today, Butz said. It has looked > at 1,000-plus targtets. B^SWe are looking at all infrastructure, > ports, airfields,B^T he said. For example, Global Hawk is providing > images to help pilots as they approach HaitiB^Rs airports. B^SThe > clarity of the imagery is good enough to provide go/ no- go > information for aircraft.B^T > > Troops from the 82nd Airborne and the Marines are already feeding > imagery requests directly to the ISR agency. We are in direct > communication with them,B^T Butz said. > > Part of that effort involves imagery from national technical means B > spy satellites B and commercial satellite imagery provided by the > National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA). Butz said his people > are sharing their images from air burning assets with NGA and NGA is > sharing its images with them. Southern Command, in charge of the > Haiti operations, is feeding unclassified versions of that data to > the non- governmental organizations operating in Haiti via an > unclassified web link. And NGA has an unclassified web link to > provide some of its data. Butz said they are working hard to avoid > duplication. > > When we asked Butz how his people were coping with the added burden > of analyzing Haitian imagery while they are feeding troops in > Afghanistan and Iraq with imagery and analyzing it, he conceded > B^SitB^Rs very tough. We have to keep our airmen focused on Afghanistan > and Iraq.B^T > > All this highlights an immense irony of the terrible destruction the > earthquake wreaked in Haiti, namely that the Western HemisphereB^Rs > poorest country is getting much of the worldB^Rs most sophisticated > and expensive technology in its time of need. > > Global Hawk, the high- flying reconnaissance UAV which costs roughly > $135 million apiece, left Beale Air Force Base on Jan. 13 for Haiti. > A story on the baseB^Rs web site quoted Lt. Col. Mark Lozier, > operations officer with the 12th Reconnaissance Squadron:B^T In > effect, you get to look at what we know is damaged, and what we know > is still serviceable. We can take a look at airfields to assess, > right now, whether or not we will be able to get airlift in there > with aid. We donB^Rt have to wait for a ground team to get in there > and make on site decisions.B^T > > As the U.S military first really learned during the earliest stages > of our Afghan war, persistent surveillance can be incredibly useful. > B^SOne of the ideal aspects of the Global Hawk for this purpose is its > high- altitude; we can stay airborne 27 to 28 hours,B^T Lozier said. > B^SWe will be using most of that time to stay on station over in Haiti > during most of daylight hours to image most of everything that we can > with the highest fidelity.B^T > > We got an email from a geospatial data company, FortiusOne, telling > us about how they are providing mapping and other geospatial planning > tools to non- governmental groups. You can take a look here at some > of the nifty products they and other companies are making available > to help get help where it is needed most. > > Ruth Stiver, who handles PR for them, said this: B^SWe are actively > working with other communities such as OpenStreetMap and > CrisisCommons, which are gathering additional data and maps that can > be used to share with responders and agencies working to organize and > provide relief efforts. To check out our latest collaborative efforts > to help visit: > > http://news.geocommons.com/haitiquake/ > > Feel free to contribute your own data as well at Geocommons and make > sure to tag your data B^ShaitiquakeB^T. If you know of additional > relief organizations, please add them to the registry > > http://haiti-orgs.sahanafoundation.org/orgs/ > > Obviously, the USS Carl Vinson and the Marine units heading to Haiti > involve incredibly advanced technology as well. > > IB^Rm sure our readers know of other examples. Please let us know and > weB^Rll update this story or add new ones. I covered the terrible > famines of 1984B^V85 in Ethiopia and Sudan, as well as the > accompanying epidemics that rolled through the region on the heels of > famine and civil war. The best technology available then was C- 130s > and similar military airlifters, military radios, printed maps > containing weather and related data from satellites, and kerosene- > powered refrigerators deployed in geographic chains to keep vaccines > fresh. LetB^Rs hope todayB^Rs more advanced tools will help save lives > and, perhaps, help Haiti to plan better for future disasters. > > SOURCE: > http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/01/14/military-tech-heads-to-haiti/ > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 13:35:19 -0500 (EST) > From: Terry Colvin > Subject: skunk-works Skunkworks - Legacy of the Secret Heroes > > http://area51specialprojects.com/sp_photos.html > > Photos and Video declassified legacy of the Secret Heroes > Date: Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM > > Thanks to Col Knox.... > > > Photos and Video declassified legacy of the Secret Heroes of the Area 51 Black > Projects in Nevada > > This information is provided by PURE PURSUIT INFORMATION CENTER, as a service > to members of the Military and Air Defense Community with the purpose of > offering relevant and timely information on (open source) defense, aviation, > emergency, law enforcement and terrorism issues. Posts may be forwarded to > other individuals, organizations and lists for non-commercial purposes. To > subscribe to the list, please direct an email to Nena Wiley at > CoyoteArz@aol.com . > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:49:44 -0700 > From: Joy Cohn > Subject: skunk-works U2 Article in the NY Times > > > Or > > > > > March 21, 2010 > U-2 Spy Plane Evades the Day of Retirement > By CHRISTOPHER DREW > > The U-2 spy plane, the high-flying aircraft that was often at the heart of > cold war suspense, is enjoying an encore. > > Four years ago, the Pentagon was ready to start retiring the plane, which > took its first test flight in 1955. But Congress blocked that, saying the > plane was still useful. > > And so it is. Because of updates in the use of its powerful sensors, it has > become the most sought-after spy craft in a very different war in > Afghanistan. > > As it shifts from hunting for nuclear missiles to detecting roadside bombs, > it is outshining even the unmanned drones > ial_vehicles/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier> in gathering a rich array of > intelligence used to fight the Taliban > /index.html?inline=nyt-org> . > > All this is a remarkable change from the U-29s early days as a player in > United States-Soviet espionage. Built to find Soviet missiles, it became > famous when Francis Gary Powers was shot down in one while streaking across > the Soviet Union in 1960, and again when another U-2 took the photographs > that set off the Cuban missile crisis in 1962. Newer versions of the plane > have gathered intelligence in every war since then and still monitor > countries like North Korea. > > Now the U-2 and its pilots, once isolated in their spacesuits at 70,000 > feet, are in direct radio contact with the troops in Afghanistan. And > instead of following a rote path, they are now shifted frequently in > midflight to scout roads for convoys and aid soldiers in firefights. > > In some ways, the U-2, which flew its first mission in 1956, is like an > updated version of an Etch A Sketch in an era of high-tech computer games. > > 3It9s like after all the years it9s flown, the U-2 is in its prime again,2 > said Lt. Col. Jason M. Brown, who commands an intelligence squadron that > plans the missions and analyzes much of the data. 3It can do things that > nothing else can do.2 > > One of those things, improbably enough, is that even from 13 miles up its > sensors can detect small disturbances in the dirt, providing a new way to > find makeshift mines that kill many soldiers. > > (Article Continues at NYT) > > ------------------------------ > > End of skunk-works-digest V16 #7 > ******************************** > > To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: > > subscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body of a message to "majordomo@netwrx1.com". > If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is > coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address > to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": > > subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net > > To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: > > unsubscribe skunk-works-digest > > in the body. > > Administrative requests, problems, and other non-list mail can be sent > to georgek@netwrx1.com. > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "skunk-works-digest" > in the commands above with "skunk-works". > > Back issues are available for viewing by a www interface located at: > http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/ > > If you have any questions or problems please contact me at: > > georgek@netwrx1.com > > Thanks, > > George R. 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