From skunk-works@netwrx1.org Mon Nov 18 01:05:06 2013 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 01:05:03 From: skunk-works Subject: skunk-works Message Digest for 11/18/2013 Here is your digest of messages for skunk-works. From: "miltech.fms" Subject: Re: RE: Re: skunk works list Date: 11-17-2013 George, just realised the address change! On 17 November 2013 15:13, George Kasica wrote: > I?m seeing all your messages and replies here?you do know the address is > now skunk-works@nretwrx1.org correct not the old skunk-works@netwrx1.comsince it move to a new server? Might want to check filters etc. > > > > > > -- > > ===[George R. Kasica]=== +1 262 677 0766 > > Skunk-Works ListOwner +1 206 374 6482 FAX > > http://www.netwrx1.com/georgek Jackson, WI USA > > georgek@netwrx1.com > > ICQ #12862186 > > > > OLD Digest Issues at: http://skunkworks-digest.netwrx1.org > > > > S L O W E R T R A F F I C K E E P R I G H T > > tm > > / \ > > / \ > > _/ ___ \_ > > ________/ \_______/V!V\_______/ \_______ > > \__/ \___/ \__/ > > > > www.habu.org > > The OnLine Blackbird Museum > > > > > > > > *From:* miltech.fms [mailto:skunk-works@netwrx1.org] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:16 PM > *To:* George Kasica > *Subject:* skunk-works Re: skunk works list > > > > I'm receiving messages, but when I reply it seems just to go to me > > > > On 17 November 2013 10:28, John Szalay wrote: > > are we dead in the water ? > > > > > > > > -- > Gary Fairlie > PO Box 98 > Calwell LPO > Calwell, Australian Capital Territory 2905 > Australia > > Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 > > Linkedin > > > > > > This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As > such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document > pending > a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, > electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express > permission of the original sender. > -- Gary Fairlie PO Box 98 Calwell LPO Calwell, Australian Capital Territory 2905 Australia Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 Linkedin This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document pending a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express permission of the original sender. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Szalay Subject: Re: Re: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51harbored alien aircraft Date: 11-17-2013 since its so long, it needed to be wrapped, so here is a tinyurl to the same page. sorry bout that http://tinyurl.com/oghxh2o OR http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_alien_aircraft.aspx ________________________________ From: miltech.fms To: john.szalay@att.net Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: skunk-works Re: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51harbored alien aircraft unfort the first link is generating a runtime error going to the site I've tried 2 computers and 2 diff ISP's On 17 November 2013 12:20, John Szalay wrote: > >Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft > > --------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Szalay Subject: Re: RE: Re: skunk works list Date: 11-17-2013 Thank you George, ? address book noted & updated ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? John in Ky ________________________________ From: George Kasica To: john.szalay@att.net Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12 PM Subject: skunk-works RE: Re: skunk works list I???m seeing all your messages and replies here???you do know the address is now skunk-works@nretwrx1.org correct not the old skunk-works@netwrx1.com since it move to a new server? Might want to check filters etc. ? ? -- ===[George R. Kasica]===? ? ? ? ? ? ? +1 262 677 0766 Skunk-Works ListOwner? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +1 206 374 6482 FAX S L O W E R? ? T R A F F I C? ? K E E P? ? 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Working link: http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_alien_aircraft.aspx This article was posted on 11/07/2013 Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft Actual details of reports, however, likely to disappoint conspiracy theorists Newly released documents from the NSA have revealed more detail about the popular ? and mysterious ? part of Nevada known as Area 51. [image: Area 51] The 60+ declassified reports, dating from the 1960s and 1970s, speak mostly to the government?s desire for tight security around the area near Groom Lake. Conspiracy theorists hoping to find documents confirming the government?s harboring of aliens and flying saucers at the facility will be slightly disappointed, though. While Area 51 did house alien aircraft, they were from the Soviet Union ? not Mars, or any other planet from some distant galaxy. You see, the U.S. ? embroiled in a Cold War with their Soviet counterparts ? had gotten their hands on a bunch of Soviet MiG fighter jets and were housing them at this top-secret location for the purpose of studying the aircraft and advancing the technologies being applied to America?s own fleet of spy and fighter jets. [image: MiG-21 jet.] MiG-21 jet. Bit of sidebar trivia information from these documents: One MiG-21 was code-named ?HAVE DOUGHNUT,? and two MiG-17s were referred to as ?HAVE DRILL? and ?HAVE FERRY,? for whatever reason. Throughout the years, American engineers documented various reports on the design, performance, and limitations of the Soviet?s MiGs so as to better understand their vulnerabilities. While they were studying their enemy?s weaknesses, developers at the site also used the Area to strengthen the country?s fleet of fighter jets, starting first with the Lockheed U-2 reconnaissance plane in 1955 . . . [image: U-2 spy plane] . . . before eventually getting into stealth plane technology, and the F-117 Nighthawk. [image: F-117 Nighthawk] Other documents reveal that while all of this research was going on, there was a lot of Cold War paranoia playing out too. Researchers for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) were actively photographing Area 51 using a high-altitude U-2 spy plane and a then-classified CORONA reconnaissance satellite, for the purpose of seeing what the Soviet Union might learn about the area should the country?s Sputnik 13 satellite have reconnaissance capability. [image: Sputnik] The extreme levels of paranoia under which government employees were operating is perhaps most evident in the collection of 1974 memos released, which document an incident involving NASA and the fact that the Agency?s Skylab 4 astronauts had inadvertently taken a picture of Area 51 despite specific instructions not to photograph that area. [image: Skylab photograph of Area 51] The much argued about image of Area 51 inadvertently captured by Skylab 5 astronauts. For those curious, the bright white spot northeast of the site is the dried out bed of Groom Lake. Basically, a multi-department brouhaha developed over whether or not to make the picture public, with officials from the NRO arguing that it would be best to retain the photograph as a high-priority, classified secret, and NASA stating that there would be domestic and foreign problems that would result from their withholding photographs from the public. To make a long story short, a lot of back-and-forth memos followed before NASA finally decided to simply tuck the photograph away in its larger collection of Skylab photographs ? thereby making it public, but not calling attention to it. Worth noting about this incident: Despite everyone?s concerns over what the image might reveal / not reveal, it stayed there, untouched, unseen, and unrealized for what it was an actual photograph of, for years on end. You can read through all of the declassified documents via the National Security Archive. Story via: space.com By Jeffrey Bausch -- Peter Kuykendall 7659 S. Rosemary Circle Centennial, CO 80112 720-663-7581 --------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Bjaloncik Subject: Re: Message Digest for 11/17/2013 Date: 11-17-2013 Gentlemen - Kept getting the runtime error (500) also. Went into www.electronicproducts.com, clicked on "Electromechanical Components" tab near the top, then slid over to "Motors and Controllers". Access to article is there, along with a previous one on Lockheed's purported new spy plane. "Alien" craft mainly Ruskie MIGs, etc. Not dead in the water, just need to find another way around. ;-) Jim On 11/17/2013 1:12 AM, skunk-works wrote: > Here is your digest of messages for skunk-works. > > > > From: John Szalay > Subject: skunk works list > Date: 11-16-2013 > > are we dead in the water ? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: John Szalay > Subject: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft > Date: 11-16-2013 > > > > Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft > > http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_ > alien_aircraft.aspx > > > > The Area 51 File: Secret Aircraft and Soviet MiGs > Declassified Documents Describe Stealth Facility in Nevada > National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 443 > > > http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "miltech.fms" > Subject: Re: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51harbored alien aircraft > Date: 11-16-2013 > > unfort the first link is generating a runtime error going to the site > > I've tried 2 computers and 2 diff ISP's > > > On 17 November 2013 12:20, John Szalay wrote: > >> Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft >> >> >> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_ >> alien_aircraft.aspx >> >> >> >> The Area 51 File: Secret Aircraft and Soviet MiGs >> Declassified Documents Describe Stealth Facility in Nevada >> National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 443 >> >> >> http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/ >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- From: Albert Kirk Subject: Re: Message Digest for 11/17/2013 Date: 11-17-2013 Message arrived ok. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2013, at 12:13 AM, skunk-works wrote: > > Here is your digest of messages for skunk-works. > > > > From: John Szalay > Subject: skunk works list > Date: 11-16-2013 > > are we dead in the water ? > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: John Szalay > Subject: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft > Date: 11-16-2013 > > > > Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft > > http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_ > alien_aircraft.aspx > > > > The Area 51 File: Secret Aircraft and Soviet MiGs > Declassified Documents Describe Stealth Facility in Nevada > National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 443 > > > http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "miltech.fms" > Subject: Re: Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51harbored alien aircraft > Date: 11-16-2013 > > unfort the first link is generating a runtime error going to the site > > I've tried 2 computers and 2 diff ISP's > > >> On 17 November 2013 12:20, John Szalay wrote: >> >> >> Declassified documents from the NSA reveal Area 51 harbored alien aircraft >> >> >> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Declassified_documents_from_the_NSA_reveal_Area_51_harbored_ >> alien_aircraft.aspx >> >> >> >> The Area 51 File: Secret Aircraft and Soviet MiGs >> Declassified Documents Describe Stealth Facility in Nevada >> National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 443 >> >> >> http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/ > > > > -- > Gary Fairlie > PO Box 98 > Calwell LPO > Calwell, Australian Capital Territory 2905 > Australia > Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 > Linkedin > > > > > This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As > such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document pending > a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, > electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express > permission of the original sender. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "miltech.fms" > Subject: Re: skunk works list > Date: 11-16-2013 > > I'm receiving messages, but when I reply it seems just to go to me > > >> On 17 November 2013 10:28, John Szalay wrote: >> >> are we dead in the water ? > > > -- > Gary Fairlie > PO Box 98 > Calwell LPO > Calwell, Australian Capital Territory 2905 > Australia > Mobile/Cell/Handy: +61 (0)412 688 883 > Linkedin > > > > > This document is regarded as privileged and commercially confidential. As > such it forms the basis of foundation for a non disclosure document pending > a vehicle of continuance. It may not be distributed, duplicated, > electronically copied, re-transmitted or facsimiled without the express > permission of the original sender. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: George Kasica > Subject: RE: Re: skunk works list > Date: 11-16-2013 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------