From skunk-works-request@netwrx1.org Mon Feb 10 19:44:12 2014 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:41:25 From: skunk-works-request@netwrx1.org Reply-To: skunk-works@netwrx1.org To: skunk-works@netwrx1.org Subject: skunk-works Digest, Vol 18, Issue 6 Send skunk-works mailing list submissions to skunk-works@netwrx1.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://eagle.netwrx1.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunk-works or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to skunk-works-request@netwrx1.org You can reach the person managing the list at skunk-works-owner@netwrx1.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of skunk-works digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Skunk Works List Setup (George Kasica) 2. Re: Skunk Works List Setup (George Kasica) 3. Operation issues (George Kasica) 4. Fwd: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? (George Kasica) 5. Fwd: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? (George Kasica) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:47:51 +0000 From: George Kasica To: Andreas Gehrs-Pahl , Skunk Works List Subject: Re: [skunk-works] Skunk Works List Setup Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" See below: -----Original Message----- From: skunk-works-bounces@netwrx1.org [mailto:skunk-works-bounces@netwrx1.org] On Behalf Of Andreas Gehrs-Pahl Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 4:14 PM To: Skunk Works List Subject: Re: [skunk-works] Skunk Works List Setup George, There are apparently still a couple more misunderstandings here. :-) 1) The (downloadable) Digest -- a nice to have feature: >Correct no your cannot download digests that I'm aware of as they are >just individual messages like any other. >But they could be saved and made available for download. I have a pretty much complete archive of all the digests >from the beginning. A manual process that is time consuming to say the least. >So its all there up to date. >No, the Digests on the web site start with "v2.n001" and end with number "v16.n018", which was Volume 16, Number ?018, dated Saturday, May 11, 2013. After that, another 10 (at least) Digests were emailed, named only by the date that they were sent out: * 2013-09-23 * 2013-09-24 * 2013-09-25 * 2013-11-05 * 2013-11-08 * 2013-11-17 * 2013-11-18 * 2013-12-11 * 2014-01-13 * 2014-02-08 If you'd like to ZIP the messages up and mail them to me directly I'd be happy to throw them in the download section as individual items. I don't have them here. >And since then, there were at least four more digests in the last two days, >but I missed the first one, named Vol. 1, Issue 1, as I wasn't subscribed to >the Digests anymore. Some of that testing but in any case I have 1,2,3 and 5 if you want to send 4 as well as the rest I'll get the download site. As I said before, it would be nice to have those available for download, but this isn't a real big issue, as now all the individual post are already available through the web site. 2) The Downloadable Version: "[ Gzip'd Text 2 KB ]" is not working right: >>I don't think that this is the intended behavior, though. >Actually its working as designed. The idea being that you can use the >web interface to browse through the archive by date, author, thread, >etc as it shows below they archive. If you want the whole thing you >download and uncompress it. > currently many more -- 24 or more -- available individually on the web site. I can look at it but it only makes a compression once every 24 hours to save on resources I believe. 3) Privacy and Email Addresses: email someone directly. Doing this was a terrible idea, and I can't imagine anyone requesting this. I had already asked last September when that change was introduced to not replace the email addresses, but that request was ignored. At least the original names were still there, so it was possible to find the corresponding email addresses in previous emails, when required. Multiple users requested the email address removals for privacy. But because the web version is public, it might actually be a good idea to remove the email addresses -- but not the sender's names -- from the web pages. The software already does something similar, namely changing all email addresses to show " at " instead of the "@" symbol. As this kind of feature already exists, it isn't unreasonable to wonder if a similar feature for removing the entire email address also exist. But if that feature isn't available, then that isn't a big problem either, I suppose. You get one or the other - the software cannot scrub an email address but leave the name it's just not built into it. If you'd like to volunteer to rewrite the mailman code or submit a patch to the maintainers for it be my guest. I don't have the time or programming ability to do so. Anyway, if anyone received the Volume 1, Issue 1 Digest in the last couple of days, I would very much appreciate it, if that someone would forward this email to me, so I can keep my digest archive complete. Vol. 2 Issue 1 is on its way. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:16:51 +0000 From: George Kasica To: Andreas Gehrs-Pahl , Skunk Works List Subject: Re: [skunk-works] Skunk Works List Setup Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andres: You said we have a number of issues missing in the archive. If you'd please be kind enough to zip up what you have and email directly to me I'll get them in the archive and it will be complete. I've also sent you the vol 1 issue 1 from here - should have it in your box. I could use issue 4 from today - I'm somehow missing that. You say we are missing the following: All of V1 > * 2013-09-23 > * 2013-09-24 > * 2013-09-25 > * 2013-11-05 > * 2013-11-08 > * 2013-11-17 > * 2013-11-18 > * 2013-12-11 > * 2014-01-13 > * 2014-02-08 And what's new here now that I've got all of but V4 I'd be happy to get this all on the FTP site if you send a zip to gkasica@netwrx1.com --- George R. Kasica Sent from my iPhone5 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:32:02 +0000 From: George Kasica To: "Skunk-Works@Netwrx1.org" Subject: [skunk-works] Operation issues Message-ID: <3A409ED1-318F-4C2D-890C-8026EBAB88F3@netwrx1.onmicrosoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok. I've recontacted the support and developers on the email/name scrubbing and archiving as well as manually setting the version etc. We shall see what it get back. George --- George R. Kasica Sent from my iPhone5 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:40:02 +0000 From: George Kasica To: Works List Skunk Subject: [skunk-works] Fwd: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? Message-ID: <1AE681A9-D0DE-4239-BDDC-20EAB27AD739@netwrx1.onmicrosoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --- George R. Kasica Sent from my iPhone5 Begin forwarded message: > From: "Terry W. Colvin" > Date: May 18, 2013 at 19:46:31 CDT > To: CC-3 SSO LIST , Skunky , "U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: Skeptic > Subject: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? > Reply-To: > > (TLCB Forum) Willi Pete > > > Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? > B+ Reply #1 on: Today at 06:18:48 PM B; > > > Terry, with appropriate respect, I stand by what my good friend and U-2 pilot > told me over the course of about 4 hours of debriefing at my home several > months ago. > > As a former Air Staff and CIA National Intelligence analyst for the Soviet > Union I tend to look at anything that comes from Soviets - or Russians - with > great care. > > Willi Pete > TLCB Board > TLCB PR > > -------------------------- > > Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? > B+ Reply #2 on: Today at 06:42:55 PM B; > > > "Follow-on to the U-2..." > > SENIOR STRETCH/SENIOR SPAN > > In the mid-1970's I was "the Air Force Guy" on an NSA team to provide > real-time/near-real-time combat information to combatant commanders (shooters, > not HQ). The Army guy worked on a concept called GUARDRAIL. The Navy guy had > some projects in C3I. My project was to design a SIGINT architecture to > extend the horizon of effective use of the U-2. > > There was a "turf battle" between the Air Force and NSA over control of the > asset, which involved a whole host of issues: target selection, priorities, > mission asset management, frequencies, tech data, sources & methods, and much > more on the SIGINT side, and all of which translates into aircraft orbit > management on the air asset side. > > One solution was to build a U-2 fleet for the Air Force Theater Commanderb^Ys > b^\tactical useb^] and implied ownership, and that became the TR-1 > (b^\Tactical Reconnaissance -1b^]). Another approach was to modify a U-2 with > a new approach to communications linkage. That was my baby and it became > SENIOR STRETCH and SENIOR SPAN. > > The systems architecture, while complex, was based on a simple concept. We > collect the raw intelligence information data from the enemy using an array of > receivers along the underside of the U-2 airframe which cover the RF spectrum > over the breadth of the lucrative enemy signals. Those data are piped into > processors inside the aircraft, and then piped out to a suite of COMSAT > transceivers located inside a dorsally mounted pod which is integral to the > airframe design. Then they are transmitted up to a selected communications > satellite in earth-synchronous orbit. From that satellite they are forwarded > (to other satellites if necessary) and routed around the curvature of the > earth to predetermined customers such as the Boerfink Bunker, USAFE, Combatant > Commanders, and various Washington users such as The Pentagon, Agencies, and > the NSC. The same capability could be used for Pacific Theater customers. > > This enables one platform to perform stand-off collection, signal processing, > and delivery of data to multiple users with a variety of intelligence needs > b^S both tactical and strategic b^S simultaneously. What a wonderful > experience that was b^S in the 1970b^Ys! > > The attached photos are the SENIOR SPAN - SENIOR STRETCH U-2R taken at Beale > AFB, Edwards AFB, the Palmdale Plant, and the 99th Recon Sqdn, 9th Recon Wing > at RAF Fairford. > > Willi Pete > TLCB Board > TLCB PR > > * U2 SENIOR STRETCH.jpg (7 kB, 550x371 - viewed 1 times.) > > * Senior Span.jpg (1.8 kB, 140x80 - viewed 5 times.) > > * SS 99th Recon Sqdn 9th Recon WingRAF Fairford Eng.jpg (4.7 kB, 200x133 - > viewed 5 times.) > > * U-2R SENIOR SPAN.jpg (18.25 kB, 500x244 - viewed 1 times.) > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://tlc-brotherhood.net/TLCB_Forum.html ( guests welcome ) > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] > > [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of WP1_U2 SENIOR STRETCH.jpg] > > [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of WP_2Senior Span.jpg] > > [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of WP3_SS 99th Recon Sqdn 9th Recon WingRAF Fairford Eng.jpg] > > [demime 1.01b removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of WP4_U-2R SENIOR SPAN.jpg] ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:40:16 +0000 From: George Kasica To: List Skunk Works Subject: [skunk-works] Fwd: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --- George R. Kasica Sent from my iPhone5 Begin forwarded message: > From: "Terry W. Colvin" > Date: May 19, 2013 at 23:57:10 CDT > To: Skunky > Cc: "U-Tapao@yahoogroups.com" , CC-3 SSO LIST > Subject: skunk-works Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? > Reply-To: > > (TLCB Forum) Willi Pete > > > Re: FW....Re: Bye-Bye Blackbird (Trivia) & Re: U-2 Successor to the SR-71? > B+ Reply #4 on: Today at 06:46:15 PM B; > > > > Terry, > Share it with them as you see fit. I'm sure they can refine some of the > generalities with details... classification being a problem. > > Note that the NSA Office I was referring to was created to do a "whole new > thing" - make a distinction between SIGINT-based intelligence and SIGINT-based > "combat information". We existed to find ways to reduce the prohibitive nature > of the "Green Door" restrictions by creating a new category - i.e., combat > information. > As such, we specifically asked the operators (shooters) what they needed in > order to access a target, shoot and kill it. Then we tailored SIGINT > operations to achieve that end. This was a multi-sevice activity in > partnership with NSA. Very effective with SIGINT customers at the Theater > level and below! This was begun circa 1976, in a specific office in the > Building. > > Willi Pete > pr@tlc-brotherhood.com > > > Terry W. Colvin > Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand > Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand > http://tlc-brotherhood.net/TLCB_Forum.html ( guests welcome ) > http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ > [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ skunk-works mailing list skunk-works@netwrx1.org http://eagle.netwrx1.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunk-works End of skunk-works Digest, Vol 18, Issue 6 ******************************************